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#1122 - Monday, July 2, 2002 - Editor: Michael

In [email protected], "sivababanatarajgiri" wrote:

May all that are sentient be free from anger,
free from suffering,
free from delusion,
free from thought and intellect.

May all that are sentient be happy,
be fulfilled and enlightened,
joyous alert and responsive.

May all Be.

Hari OM.


In [email protected] Michael Read wrote:

Tom and Jerry in the foreground,
And so i ask the Universe for Something Good
Something to reveal the Joy of Being
Something to ease the Burdens of life
Something to bring me Closer to God's Own Love
Something that will Teach me to Love
Something that will Confer Bliss, Conciousness, Truth


Ah, Yes!

What a Mystery this Love is!

loveya - michael

ps I used to get the Mickey Mouse theme song <grin>

In [email protected], "Kheyala" wrote:

A: [tears in her eyes] Mommy, I am having a bad thought.
K: What is it?
A: I don't know what it is!
K: Would you like some attention?
A: [she nods] Uh huh.

I give myself fully to her and in less than one minute, she is off!

In [email protected], "murrkis" wrote: (responding to Jerry Katz)
Jerry Katz wrote:
> yes. It's like any Fundamentalism. If you don't follow the program
you're going to hell.

Here, there is a necktied man who frequents a downtown park. He
carries a bible and belts out a litany of sins that will get you a
ticket to hell. Next time I see him, and work up the guts to get
close to him, I will suggest he include Advaitism. Though I am
guessing it may already be included.

Here, there is also another man, this one in a burlap sack dress tied
with a brown rope at the waist. He alternately sits on a little
folding chair or kneels on the sidewalk beneath the obelisk that
soaks up the force of the main street that T-intersects at that
point. That obelisk beams car energy straight up to God. 50' of
redirection. At the foot of it all, one of God's soldiers, sittin',
kneelin' and grinnin' for the Lord. I notice he has invested in a
pair of gardening kneepads and a sunhat that ties beneath the chin. I
guess the lesson in that is that when you're in it for the long haul,
you gotta take care of yourself.


In [email protected], Anand Eswaran wrote:
Dear Dan,

I dont like agreeing with you (even in cases like
these when I couldn't possibly disagree) simply coz it
brings beautiful exchanges to an unnecessary
end.(beginnings /ends are only in causality , after
all) :-)

Commenting just
as an statement of resonation ...

Two different apparatus exposed to different
experiences in different points of space/time . Will
they ever match resonant frequencies? :-)

>True, very true.
>This "mind of comparison" is taken as
> the bedrock of reality in social consensus terms.
>That is, comparing Joe with Sam for their
> similarities and differences, I decide who
> to hire, who to fire, who to retire, and
> in times of war, who is friend or foe.
> Although "pseudo" this mind of comparison
> becomes the basis for deadly serious behaviors,
> and is the basis of education beginning at
> a very early age (who is smart or stupid, who
> moves ahead, who gets left behind, who is
who is good or bad, etc., etc., etc.) ...
>Talk about building up a heavy (albeit fictional)

ABsolutely true. Duality/comparison/ social neuorses
is an inevitable fall-out.
The root of the problem is that of misidentification
of YOU with the "individual" who uses the
"mind"(personal ownership).

>Only as a linkage for perceived continuity
> in temporally defined sequences. Continuity
> of an "I" center, as well as for the sequence
> of behavior and consequence,
which is always around an observer.

Yes, and it is always the mind that attaches
coherence to temporally disjoint sets of perception ,
thus-rendering thought-processes/ rationality.

> Do you have the courage to stand for absolutely
> nothing (including the seeeking)?

It hurts Dan/Anand , the make-believe personalities.
But THAT ( that which calls itself Dan) is THAT,
unstained by Dan's/Anand's equally-make-believe
"ouches" .

The misidentification/resistance/problems is always
for the mind.

>Phenomenal occurrence, taken as relevant by
> observer of phenomena. Which observer must
> likewise be phenomenal, otherwise how would
> experience register?

Hence profoundest maturity is total immaturity,
where there is spontaneous perception without
accumulation of experience .

>You would have to take that using the same faith
> which would lead you to take N/the B/the J-man
> as saying something true about reality --
> or not!

FYI till I met a fellow-seeker who set me on the
"Path" (though now I realize that there is nothing
called the PAth which would again have to be causally
related to the "Goal" : nirvana ), I was a confirmed
atheist. :-)

>To knowing what I've read.
>To thinking there must be some way
> to apply what I've read, so as to realize
> Something Important.

Causality again! That's the problem with having a
mind. Sometimes, I wish I were born brain-dead!:-)

>Yes, it hurts to give up one's own life
> as ever having been, nor ever
> having been one's own.
>Yet "right now" it doesn't hurt.

Yes, and even if it did, it would but hurt Dan(who is
really not)

Daffodil-Namastes ,

In [email protected], Maryam wrote:
It is soooooooooooo simple
So simple we miss it.
Like looking for your glasses
whilst they're on your head

What could be simpler than
Have you ever been out of this moment?

right now

we can never .....NOT... be Presence...
we can never..... NOT... BE

no matter how it looks

holy shit
its so simple

chasing enlightement
what a bloomin' joke

peaceful states
experiences of oneness
drowning in bliss
all states.

what has always been here
whilst this phenomena
comes and goes
is Presence- Awareness
never went anywhere
always HERE
no matter what is going on

all -inclusive
always right here
right now
can't be anywhere else

far out...
so so simple

how could i ever have thought
i was NOT.

resting as this moment
accepting this moment
surrendering to this moment

What IS this moment ?

Have a look for yourself.

Its so simple
Its sooooo simple

and Stay HERE.


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