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#1190 - Saturday, September 7, 2002 - Editor: John Metzger

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want them
taunt them
nurture and employ them
ignore them
adore them
imagine and destroy them
the concept of "others"
is no good reason
to make an "i"

Bob Rose meditationsocietyofamerica

Ya know, I think that sometimes people have a realization that there
is nothing "real" about the ego persona they have developed over the
years, and stop there, and just look at things and just see same ol,
same ol. You know that Zen thing that goes "First there is a
mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is." Well, these type
"realizers" have something like "There's a mountain." And that's
where they stop. And they may tend to just insist that "Hey - wake up
- there's just a mountain here. Nothing else. No God, no bliss, no
yada,yada,yada." And almost all of these mountaineers tend to think
that their experience is the only "real One", and that everybody else
is on the wrong path. Unlike "unrealized" people who may see a
mountain, and then go through many inner gymnastics like labeling
things about the mountain, figuring out how the mountain may benefit
or harm them, remembering things about previously known mountains,
projecting how mountains may affect them in the future, and on and
Then we have the Enlightened people. They see the mountain, and then
there is no it disappears and it's real essence, the
same eternal essence of everything and everyone everywhere presents
itself...Then they see the mountain. And they may point to the
mountain and say "Keep looking. There's more to it than stones." And
they radiate the bliss they experience, knowing the loving essence
that they and the mountain and everything are at one with. And then
there are the people who are so unattached to an individual ego and
so identified with the essence that that's all their experience is.
Often can't or don't even talk about, move about, feel about It. And
sometimes it's part of our fate, karma, "Thy will be done"
demonstrated right before our eyes nature to act, react, interact
with all of them. And then, having benefited in whatever way the
universe intended us to, go on to the next experience of life.

Brother Void

"Freedom is what you do with what's been done to you."
-- Jean-Paul Sartre

From the beginning you are the victim of circumstance. You're born, kicking and screaming, into an
unknown family. As a child, you soak up influences that mold your mind in certain ways. When you
finally get a drivers' license and move out of the house, you think you're free -- but you marry
someone who looks like your mother and drinks like your father. By the time you figure out who you
are or what you want, a life has already been forced upon you. But it's never too late to change.
Although you can't begin again from scratch, you can make a splendid ragout from the mishmash of
damaged goods in your cupboard.

I choose how to live a life I didn't choose.

Krishnamurti (link may no longer be working.)

September 7

The unguarded intellect
You can know yourself only when you are unaware, when you are not calculating, not protecting, not
constantly watching to guide, to transform, to subdue, to control; when you see yourself
unexpectedly, that is, when the mind has no preconceptions with regard to itself, when the mind is
open, unprepared to meet the unknown.

If your mind is prepared, surely you cannot know the unknown, for you are the unknown. If you say to
yourself, "I am God", or "I am nothing but a mass of social influences or a bundle of qualities" — if you
have any preconception of yourself, you cannot comprehend the unknown, that which is spontaneous.

So spontaneity can come only when the intellect is unguarded, when it is not protecting itself, when it
is no longer afraid for itself; and this can happen only from within. That is, the spontaneous must be
the new, the unknown, the incalculable, the creative, that which must be expressed, loved, in which
the will as the process of intellect, controlling, directing, has no part. Observe your own emotional
states and you will see that the moments of great joy, great ecstasy, are unpremeditated; they happen,
mysteriously, darkly, unknowingly.

Gloria and Drew

Drew: Frankly I don't expect people to believe my submission "The Actual
Plan for the Matrix." But I felt obligated to send the information
out and I appreciate your comments. In my history of activism this
happens to me all the time. Just recently one of my bosses
said "Yeah we should do what Drew had said." Unfortunately what I
said had been stated three years ago and it was too late now! At
that time noone took me seriously so what did I do? I just continued
on in my research (and my meditation).

Now I honestly believe that people should live as simply as possibly,
while at the same time pursuing theory and practice of nondualism.

Also my message is based on the foundation of the self-luminous
delight of nondualism.

Gloria: When Jerry first floated the idea of nondual activism here, the response was
ratherunderwhelming. Same with my save the environment posts, which were booed as too political.
There seems to be some difficulty with connecting nondual theory to the practicalities of how one
lives in this world. It's good to see you making theattempt. It would be heartening to see some
discussion here of activism, especiallyhow such issues can be brought to attention of more people. If
there is any conspiracy that hardly needs proving, its the near total blackout of real news here about
how life actually is for the billions not living in the privileged economies. Is it just rosy idealism for
me to imagine more people would care if they truly knew the price of suffering that others pay to give
us our way of life? Not a rhetorical question. Did anything come of your paint throwing
demonstration to publicize sweatshop conditions?

With regard to the Matrix and elitist conspiracy theories, again I would say that what is already
obvious simply by looking at conditions of people and the environment is sufficient cause for
concern. Whether it's being orchestrated on purpose or is just the expected outcome of the current
state of human evolution vis a vis political and economic results of our "thinking" - isn't it obvious
there is a problem? If the powerful elites control all the resources and systems, whether secret
conspiracies are behind it or not is almost a moot point. That "almost" is not meant to dismiss your
research and work, what I am getting at here is how much trouble it would be to convince the public
via that approach as compared to simply dealing with the realities in our face. I'm only being
practical here, as even on a nondual list, your paper's ideas are met with such skepticism.

My son recently moved in with us and happened to bring along a couple books he was reading. One
is The Secret History of the CIA and the other is Body of Secrets, Anatomy of National Security
Agency. These are fairly mainstream, with well documented sources, you can get them in libraries
even. An example of one chilling revelation was a plan to set up a phony staged attack on American
civilians in order to "sell to America" going to war against the country responsible. That was Cuba,
1959, under Eisenhower, approved by the Joint Chiefs of Staff. There's enough in this CIA book to
make your conspiracies seem quite plausible, given what's already been done in Vietnam and Chile -
for these guys, life is cheap when
it comes to winning.

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