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#1508 - Wednesday, July 30, 2003 - Editor: Joyce (Know_Mystery)
August Alonzo ~ Monks_Mystics Two Unities
"Meditation has one object only, namely
to prepare the mind
~ Ayya Khema ~
Jerry Katz ~ NondualitySalon
Brian Cowan ~ Monks_Mystics
Re: Two Unities
As humanphoenix wrote, in part,
in a message dated July 29th:
>Science, which can be easily seen enough in medical
>science, has a tendency of abandoning understanding
>of the whole to search for understanding of the
>constituents. In doing so they [i. e. scientists]
>unfortunately stop seeing them as constituents,
>they are now cells, atoms, electrons, and so forth. ...
In my view, this is a good point. Many (but not all)
scientists and scientifically inclined persons, by
concentrating on the constituents, lose sight of the
of the whole.
A spiritual outlook, as I see it, can serve as a valuable
corrective to the tendency, on the part of some of those
engaged in scientific pursuits, to get lost in detail and
so forget all about wholeness. Spirituality, I believe,
can help us to experience a holistic sense the cosmos,
to have an intuition into a unitary, animating and
directional Presence permeating all things and binding
them together into a single whole. In various traditions
this Presence is given differing names, for example:
Brahmin, the Buddha Nature, the Tao, the Logos,
the Absolute, etc., etc.
So, for sure, from my perspective, spirituality helps
and complements science.
But, for its part, science is useful to spirituality too.
Thus scientists like Galileo Galilei and Charles Darwin
helped to wean the Christian spiritual outlook away
from being an outlook which, somewhat narrowly, in
my estimation, regarded scripture as inerrant, as
standing beyond error.
Galileo provided valid evidence (e. g. from a mathematical
standpoint) in favour of the earth orbiting the sun,
evidence which, in time, contributed to showing that
scripture is in error when (for example, at Joshua 10:
12-14) it implies that the sun orbits the earth.
Darwin provided valid evidence (e. g. via fossils, the
record of the rocks) in favour of an earth that was
millions of years old, evidence which, in time, led
not a few Christians to abandon the notion, generally
accepted in his day, of a roughly 6,000 year old world.
In the 17th century a learned Irish Archbishop, named
James Ussher (1580-1655), had estimated the age of
our planet at about 6,000 years on the basis of biblical
chronology, and his estimate was, by and large,
accepted for more than two centuries. Now, there was
nothing wrong with Archbishop Ussher's scholarship.
No one seriously disagrees that, if you assign
reasonable time spans to all of the generations of
people mentioned in scripture, and if you establish
reasonable historical dates for certain events recorded
in the Bible, you end up with a creation date of roughly
4,000 BCE. The problem, as we now know, is that the
scriptural chronology lacks accuracy, is in error.
So, it does seem to me that spirituality helps and
complements science and that science helps and
complements spirituality. Thus, on the basis of the
foregoing considerations and examples, we may agree
that spirituality can render science more holistic and
that science can render a spiritual tradition less narrow.
Speaking just for myself here, I tend to think of the
spiritual and the scientific as a little like the two sides
of one coin.
Scott Reeves ~ AwarenessTheWayToLove & Richard Burnett, Art
"And where does fear come from?"
"And what is delusion?"
"To think that the flowers around you are poisonous snakes."
"How shall I attain Enlightenment?"
"Open your eyes and see."
"That there isn't a single snake around."
Anthony de Mello, SJ
Scott Reeves ~ AwarenessTheWayToLove
"Mark Twain put it very nicely when he said, "It was so cold that if the
thermometer had been an inch longer, we would have frozen to death."
freeze to death on words. It's not the cold outside that matters, but the
thermometer. It's not reality that matters, but what you're saying to
yourself about it. I was told a lovely story about a farmer in
When they were drawing up the Russian-Finnish border, the farmer
had to decide whether he wanted to be in Russia or Finland. After a long
time he said he wanted to be in Finland, but he didn't want to offend the
These came to him and wanted to know why he wanted to
be in Finland. The farmer replied, "It has always been my desire to live
in Mother Russia, but at my age I wouldn't be able to survive another
Russia and Finland are only words, concepts, but not for human beings, not
for crazy human beings. We're almost never looking at reality. A guru was
once attempting to explain to a crowd how human beings react to words, feed
on words, live on words, rather than on reality. One of the men stood up
and protested; he said, "I don't agree that words have all that much effect
on us." The guru said, "Sit down, you son of a bitch." The man went livid
with rage and said, "You call yourself an enlightened person, a guru, a
master, but you ought to be ashamed of yourself." The guru then said,
"Pardon me, sir, I was carried away. I really beg your pardon; that was a
lapse; I'm sorry." The man finally calmed down. Then the guru said, "It
took just a few words to get a whole tempest going within you; and it took
just a few words to calm you down, didn't it?" Words, words, words, words,
how imprisoning they are if they're not used properly."
~ Anthony de Mello, SJ ~
Joe & Gary Merrill ~ ConsciousnessIsAll
Re: Pop goes the balloon / Knowing myself
What is occurring when I start observing my patterns of behavior,
ideas, beliefs, concerns, etc -- in short, when I observe all of the
phenomena that comprise "Joe"? I
s this seeing, the witnessing and understanding yet more images?
Or is there a witness which understands the habit patterns of this Joe?
Because surely there is some understanding of Joe's patterns and ego-
So, maybe this 'understanding' is an image, because when it (the
understanding of Joe image) arises, it is based on my past behaviors
and thoughts -- and therefore I can say, Joe does this and that and
thinks this and that... but this is thinking based on the past and an
image is formed... there's not necessarily anyone behind the behavior
and thought of Joe, but rather just arisings, and over time, one can
pick out certain patterns, thumbprints of phenomenal arising that
signify "Joe"... which may be useful in dealing with day to day life.
Hmm, so maybe there is no real way of getting to know oneself better
other than to form new images based on past 'performance'...
Any thoughts comments? This is an interesting topic, as so many
people assume that they can get to know themselves.
Yes, its this self assumption that is generally questioned on this
list. Of course if I say it is being questioned by 'me' then there is
an immediate contradiction. Which is where it gets a bit funny.
The 'I'ing the image making isn't done by an image, by an I, but happens
as a function of Totality. It opens the can of worms regarding free
will, but if there is no 'I' then freedom or bondage ceases to be a
What you say about witnessing seems fairly accurate. The witnessing
implying time to look back and catch oneself witnessing, so its a
story of witnessing never anything in itself. A bit like feed back, the body/mind feeds back on itself in order to understand. The notion of an independent observer or self or object would not be real but part of this feedback process, part of Totality.
Manuel Hernandez ~ ANetOfJewels
The Wisdom of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
"All suffering is born of desire. True love is never frustrated. How can
the sense of unity be frustrated? What can be frustrated is the desire for
expression. Such desire is of the mind. As with all things mental,
frustration is inevitable."
Shawn ~ Nisargadatta & Zen OLeary, Art
.....These four facts of life are meant to
be known, understood,
Gary Merrill ~ ConsciousnessIsAll & Bill Rishel, Art
Totality is... Writing to itself
is... hating itself
is... fighting pointless
Viorica Weissman ~
Poonja - The Desire for Freedom
If you accidentally catch fire due to an accident, and you are rushing
to jump into the river , and a friend comes by and says ,
"Let's go to a restaurant and get some ice cream , " what will you do ?
This desire for freedom must be like this.
You do not stop along the way to pick another desire.
Wake Up and Roar
satsangh with H.W.L. Poonja
Found on the Web
"Just Say OM"
"...Scientists study it. Doctors recommend it. Millions of Americans -many of whom don't even own crystals -practice it every day. Why? Because meditation works
By JOEL STEIN...
Sunday, Jul. 27, 2003
The one thought I cannot purge, the one that keeps coming back and getting between me and my bliss, is this: What a waste of time. I am sitting cross-legged on a purple cushion with my eyes closed in a yoga studio with 40 people, most of them attractive women in workout outfits, and it is accomplishment enough that I am not thinking about them. Or giggling. I have concentrated on the sounds outside and then on my breath and then, supposedly, just on the present reality of my physical statea physical state concerned increasingly with the lack of blood in my right foot. But I let that pass, and then I let my thoughts of the hot women go, and then the future and the past, and then my worries about how best to write this article and, for just a few moments, I hit it. It looks like infinite blackness, feels like a separation from my body and seems like the moment right before you fall asleep, only I'm completely awake. It is kind of nice. And then, immediately, I have this epiphany: I could be watching television. "
What's A Wiki?
is a collaborative web site which visitors can edit directly in
their browsers. Seed Wiki is a wiki farm where
anyone can start a wiki..."
bokindstrand ~ ParanormalBuffalo
"...A leading creator of "sociable robots," Cynthia Breazeal of M.I.T., says a chief worry is that we might try to extend rights to beings who aren't prepared for them. Breazeal assiduously avoids calling her robots by gendered pronouns. That even she occasionally slips when faced with the large, beseeching eyes of one of her creations means nothing, she says. But it must mean something. No one accidentally calls a toaster "he" or "she." ..."
Henry ~ Buddhist_Healing
Vipassana changes the spirit of business
Asia Times, 30 July 2003
"Mumbai, India - After a 10-day Vipassana retreat southeast of Dallas,
Texas, Thomas L Freese, vice president of Freese & Nichols, changed his
approach to business management. Motivated by an ancient Indian
self-observation technique called Vipassana, he began to think about
blending such values as compassion and ethics with bottom lines and
profits in his daily work.
Are formerly hard-headed Western businessmen falling for yet another
handful of magic dust flung from the hands of the gurus of ancient
India? Freese was relieved. He says: "Vipassana leads to clearer
thinking and clear thinking is good for business."
A lengthening list of US, European and Asian corporate executives agree.
Senior staff of companies including Microsoft, Citibank, IBM, Merrill
Lynch and Zee TV experience Vipassana as a powerful human-resources
tool. Special Vipassana courses are being organized worldwide for
business executives and government administrators. Freese was part of
one such course this May in "Dhamma Siri", near Dallas, one of six
Vipassana centers in the United States.
Vipassana means "to see things as they really are" in the ancient Indian
Pali language. A practical, universal tool to purify the mind, some call
Vipassana a technology for inner peace. Others describe it is a deep
surgical operation of the mind. An objective study of mind-matter
interaction, Vipassana has nothing to do with any religion, cult, dogma
or blind belief. Vipassana enhances the overall quality of life, as I
have discovered from practicing it for more than 10 years.
Vipassana is taught in residential courses - from the beginners' 10-day
regimen to 45-day and 60-day courses for advanced students. Completing a
course demands discipline, will power and following such rules as not
communicating with fellow students and the outside world for the
duration of the course. The rule of silence until the penultimate day of
the course is to calm and quiet the chattering mind and turn attention
Happily, continuing a millennium-old tradition, no fee is charged for
Vipassana courses, not even for board and lodging. Expenses are met
solely through voluntary donations and services of previous students.
Vegetarian buffets and simple, comfortable accommodation are provided in
centers that are usually green, eco-friendly expanses.
The technique was practiced back in the mists of time before being
rediscovered by Gautama Buddha, who practiced it to reach enlightenment.
Vipassana then disappeared again, and was lost to India 500 years after
his passing. But a chain of teachers in Burma preserved the technique in
its purity for 2,500 years.
This volition to share merit earned helps to reduce the ego, the
apparent "I" that the Vipassana student experiences as merely a mass of
constantly changing mind-matter phenomena. Experiencing that impermanent
nature of reality within changes one's outlook to life and fellow
beings. Wisdom and compassion rise to the surface..."
[Read the rest:
Bill Rishel ~ AdvaitaToZen
It doesn't matter what Consciousness (or consciousness) means.
It doesn't matter what subject/object or duality means.
It doesn't matter what non-duality means.
First must come Freedom.
Understanding will follow.
All that matters is following your own heart.
That is the only way to be free.
And being free is all that matters.
No one can
stop you from following your heart.
That is the only *real* choice...to follow one's own heart.
To follow your heart your must know your heart.
is Inquiry into one's heart.
Inquiry means to *abide* in one's heart.
And in the
end one is living the heart in everything,
is nothing outside of Heart.
It is who you are.
Stephen (bodhibliss) ~ josephcampbellmythologygroup & Hilary Collins ~ TrueVision
Dreams (I Lied)
|Much as i try to ignore the lure of
this subject, i am captured by dream... We all dream - each
night, every night, four to seven dream cycles a night.
We spend so much time dreaming yet remember so very few
dreams. Why? Jung believes dreams are expressions of the
unconscious psyche (of course, it's called "the
unconscious" because it's unconscious to me, to ego,
the waking me - not because the unconscious psyche itself
is blind and deaf and dumb), where "we find the
mythological motifs or mythologems I have designated as
archetypal." Some of these archetypal figures
met in dream include the Ego, the Shadow, the Persona,
the anima/Animus, the Self, the Mother, the Father, the
Puer/Divine Child, the Kore/Maiden, the Hero, the Wise
Old Man, the Trickster, the Hermaphrodite and the
Coniunctio - those they be clad in forms more
familiar to us - Friends and Lovers, Mom & Dad, and
such. Of course, dreams
are quicksilver - rarely does one follow us across the
threshold of sleep into consciousness. Even when we wake
with traces of dream in our head, those traces trickle
away at the slightest distraction - the sound of the
alarm, insistent bladder pressure, a cat crying for its
breakfast - and the dream dissolves. In fact, the dreams
we most often remember are those whose images carry a
high enough emotional charge to break through the
threshold separating the unconscious from consciousness,
with enough intensity to remain etched in memory. This
would have to be a dream that packs quite a wallop - most
often a nightmare, though occasionally erotically charged
dreams carry enough energy to break through into
consciousness (particularly in adolescence - as I seem to
recorded well over a thousand dreams in my journal over
the last decade - some years writing down dreams four to
five mornings out of seven (and I notice that my dreams
average roughly five hundred words - sometimes far more,
sometimes far less - and takes about forty-five minutes
to write down each dream - definitely a commitment of
time and discipline, not counting time spent working with
the dream later). Took a little practice learning to
retain an image, then tease details out of memory, but
soon enough became second nature. Of course, when we
practice dream work, the usual question is "What
does the dream mean?" Interpretation is thought to
aim at meaning - but no dream dictionary will capture
that quicksilver flow... Dreams are beyond meaning, which
can be too literal. Dreams have a holographic texture,
each image enfolding a multitude of meaning, like all
symbols in art, literature, poetry, music...what's the
meaning of those first four notes of Beethoven's fifth?
Or that F sharp buried in the middle of a Tchaikovsky
suite? The notes in a symphony are significant not just
in themselves, but also in relation to each other and to
the composition as a whole. Each note presents a series
of relationships focused into THIS moment, THIS sound,
and represents the relationship between creator,
creation, and hearer. Meaning arises in subjective
consciousness: it's a story told by the perceiver. Hence,
multiple perceivers means multiple meanings - even within
one person, different meanings arise, a response to the
multiple layers of images presented to consciousness. To
stick to just Freud, or just Jung, or just Hillman, is to
approach the polytheistic psyche with monotheistic
blinders on. Multiple interpretations, offered by a
variety of individuals, present a fuller, more complete
picture. Read together, they build up layered images,
flesh out the phantasm of dream. A three dimensional
portrait of the psyche often emerges. At the same time,
Hillman provides an important caveat: dream
interpretation, as commonly practice, often places dream
energies in service of the herculean ego. Like Hercules, I go
down at night into the Underworld, where I plunder the
realm, take from the dream treasures that help ME
(muscular ego) cope and succeed, upon my return to the
Jung's psychology is ego-centered. Hillman's archetypal
(imaginal) psychology relativizes the ego, takes ME off
center stage. The dream has its own dynamic: rather than
try to uncover artifacts that can be brought to the
surface and prove useful in daily life, to the Dream,
"the play's the thing." We are asked to engage
the dream, participate in the passion play - and we best
do this, by immersing ourselves in the Image... Some dreams do have
literal components - dream your mother-in-law has died,
and the next day she keels over - but these are
relatively rare, like the Thirteenth Card of the Major
Arcana actually indicating a real live death (hmm...).
|Dreams that do echo
surface events also resonate at deeper octaves: my friend
Crystal, crying in my dream, may be a clue that the
waking Crystal is sad and unhappy - something I had not
noticed - but my psyche's choice of her image could at
the same time point to emotions repressed, or depression
yet unrealized, buried within me. I do agree with the
insight that subtle nuances speak volumes in dream. Pun
imagery, in particular, runs wild. Does Psyche have a
sense of humor? No doubt - dream images, like all
components of psyche, are fluid, quicksilver - and
quicksilver - mercury - is ruled by Hermes, the
trickster, god of communication - and miscommunication.
Wherever one thing is also another, whether symbolic
ritual, or trivial pun, Hermes hides in the ambiguity,
cloaked in paradox. (Hermes - Mercury - puts an
alchemical flavor into dream work) Carl Jung - in the
first section of Symbols of Transformation, fifth volume
in his Collected Works, published by Bollingen - the
volume that catalyzed the rupture with Freud in 1912 -
writes about "Two Kinds of Thinking". One is the focused
concentration we most often think of when we hear the
term "thinking" - directed thinking, linear,
with a specific end, a goal - solve the math problem,
build the bridge - what today we call task-oriented
thinking. Jung believes this to be a relatively recent
development for our species (it could be even more recent
than Jung thinks: Julian Jaynes, in The Origins of
Consciousness in the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind,
posits the appearance of the ego roughly 3000 years
ago... and he makes a cogent, if controversial,
Jung believes there is a deeper layer, far older, on the
evolutionary scale. Associational thinking - drifting,
daydreaming, letting the mind wander, gathering wool -
this is where we spend most of our time. We can ponder a
difficult problem at length - but the solution often
comes when we're singing in the shower, thinking about
any and everything but... In this mode, one image flows into
another - like in a day dream, or when a mind just
wanders - which aren't just random thoughts, but words,
ideas, images related to one another one way or another.
The pun, verbal or visual, humorous or obscure, is the
link here. Dreams, even more so - no mediating ego. In dream, we are
immersed in the stuff of poetry - images wet, electric,
self-luminous, and fluid - a nighttime sensurround toon
town theater in 3-D, in which we are sometimes audience,
sometimes extra, sometimes star (at times, all
three)...we dance in elysian fields, bathe in the
wellsprings of Creativity and Pure Imagination. Is it any
wonder patterns we find there point to energies
manifesting in waking realities? Dream helps us
relate to these patterns, can bring us into conscious
harmony with the natural rhythm of life. To quote Campbell,
from the Hero's Journey (p.8) "The unconscious sends all
sorts of vapors, odd beings, terrors, and deluding images
up into the mind - whether n dreams, borad daylight, or
insanity; for the human kingdom, beneath the floor of the
comparatively neat little dwelling that we call our
consciousness, goes down into unsuspected Aladdin caves.
There not only jewels but dangerous jinn abide: the
inconvenient or resisted psychological powers that we
have not thought or dared to integrate into our lives.
And they may remain unsuspected, or on the other hand,
some chance word, the smell of a landscape, the taste of
a cup of tea, or the glance of an eye may touch a magic
spring, and then dangerous messengers begin to appear in
the brain. These are dangerous because they threaten the
fabric of the security into which we have built ourselves
and our family. But they are fiendishly fascinating, too,
for they carry keys that open the whole realm of the
desired and feared adventure of the discovery of the
self. Destruction of the world that we have built and in
which we live, and of ourselves within it; but then a
wonderful reconstruction, of the bolder, cleaner, more
spacious, and fully human life - that is the lure, the
promise and terror, of these disturbing night visitations
from the mythological realm we carry within." "...the very
dreams that blister sleep..."
(p.3) sweet dreams
John Duff ~ StillPoint & Alan Larus ~ HarshaSatsangh
On Beginning to Live More Consciously
~ Joe Riley
To pray you open your whole self
To sky, to earth, to sun, to moon
To one whole voice that is you.
And know there is more
That you can't see, can't hear
Can't know except in moments
Steadily growing, and in languages
That aren't always sound but other
Circles of motion.
Like eagle that Sunday morning
Over Salt River. Circles in blue sky
In wind, swept our hearts clean
With sacred wings.
We see you, see ourselves and know
That we must take the utmost care
And kindness in all things.
Breathe in, knowing we are made of
All this, and breathe, knowing
We are truly blessed because we
Were born, and die soon, within a
True circle of motion,
Like eagle rounding out the morning
We pray that it will be done
~ Joy Harjo ~
Conversations On The Leading Edge
Of Knowledge and Discovery
With Dr. Jeffrey Mishlove
IN THE PROVINCE OF THE MIND
"JEFFREY MISHLOVE, Ph.D.:
Hello and welcome. Today we are going to explore the province of the mind. With me is Dr. John C. Lilly, a noted pioneer of mystical states, of states of consciousness, and also interspecies communication. Dr. Lilly is a former researcher with the National Institutes of Health and the Maryland Psychiatric Research Center. He is the author of some five books on human-dolphin communication, including Lilly on Dolphins, Man and Dolphin, The Mind of the Dolphin, Communication between Man and Dolphin. He has written many books on deep inner exploration, including The Deep Self, The Center of the Cyclone, The Dyadic Cyclone, and The Scientist, and he is particularly known for Programming and Metaprogramming the Human Biocomputer. In fact he introduced that term, the biocomputer, into our language. Welcome, John..."
Pete, Skogen, Dan, & Joyce ~ AdvaitaToZen
Pete, you are right. There is a German proverb which goes roughly
so: "If a donkey feels itself too well, it betakes itself on glazed
frost" (Wenn ein Esel sich zu wohl fühlt, begibt er sich aufs
Pass me one of those cream-filled chocolate
glazed one's, Skoggman -- I feel really well!
And scratch me behind my ears, while you're at it!
Fresh out of donuts, sorry... Will a pear from Meister Eckart do in a pinch?
sshomi ~ AlongTheWay
All blessings flow from attention
undervalue attention. It means interest
and also love. To know, to do, to discover, or
to create you must give your heart to it - which
means attention. All the blessings flow from it.
"I Am That"
Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
The Acorn Press, 1973
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