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#1515 - Wednesday, August 6, 2003 - Editor: Joyce (Know_Mystery)  

                            Soaring - Photo by Alan Larus

Manuel Hernandez ~ ANetofJewels  
Words can only point at Truth. It is only nonverbal, noumenal understanding
that can deliver it.

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
By usurping the impersonal subjectivity of the one Absolute subject as that
of an individual person, the human being commits the original sin and
therefore comes under bondage. As soon as this mistaken identity is
realized and the true identity as the one formless and eternal subject or
witness is established, the bondage disappears and there is enlightenment.

~ Ramesh S. Balsekar ~    

Tara ~ DailyDharma   &  Alan Larus, TrueVision  

Birds II


Photo by Alan Larus


A Great Poem

"This is what you should do: Love the earth and sun and animals,
despise riches, give alms to everyone that asks,
stand up for the stupid and crazy,
devote your income and labor to others, hate tyrants, argue not
concerning God,
have patience and indulgence toward the people...
reexamine all you have been told in school or church or in any book,
dismiss what insults your very soul,
and your flesh shall become a great poem."

~Walt Whitman

From the book, "Walt Whitman: The Complete Poems," edited by Francis
Murphy, published by Viking Press.

Marilyn ~ OmniConscious

Huang Po

Some good websites that have info and excerpts from Huang Po's book
Zen Teaching on the Transmisson of Minds

Shawn Hair ~ SufiMystic  

Relative Knowledge

M.(Ramana Maharshi): Ego is 'I' thought. In its subtle form it
remains a thought, whereas in its gross aspect it embraces the
mind, the senses, and the body. They disappear in deep
slumber along with the ego. Still the Self is there; similarly it will
be in death.

Ego is not an entity independent of the Self in order that it
must be created or destroyed by itself. It functions as an
instrument of the Self and periodically ceases to function. That is
to say, it appears and disappears ; this might be considered to
be birth and death.

Relative knowledge pertains to the mind and not to the Self. It
is therefore illusory and not permanent. Take a scientist for
instance. He formulates a theory that the earth is round and
goes on to prove it and establish it on an incontrovertible basis.
When he falls asleep the whole idea vanishes ; his mind is left a
blank ; what does it matter if the world remains round or flat
when he is asleep? So you see the futility of all such relative

One should go beyond such relative knowledge and abide in
the Self. Real knowledge is such experience and not
apprehension by the mind.

D : Why does not Sri Bhagavan go about and preach the
Truth to the people at large?

M. : How do you know that I am not doing it? Does
preaching consist of mounting a platform and haranguing to the
people around? Preaching is simple communication of
knowledge. It may be done in Silence too.

What do you think of a man listening to a harangue for an
hour and going away without being impressed by it so as to
change his life? Compare him with another who sits in a holy
presence and leaves after some time with his outlook on life
totally changed. Which is better : To preach loudly without effect
or to sit silently sending forth intuitive forces to play on others?
Again how does speech arise? There is abstract knowledge
(unmanifest). From it there rises the ego which gives rise to
thoughts and words successively. So then :

Abstract Knowledge ----->Ego---->Thoughts---->Words

Words are therefore the great grandson of the original source.
If words can produce an effect, how much more powerful should
the preaching through silence be? Judge for yourself.

from Talks With Sri Ramana Maharshi

Freyja ~ NondualitySalon

Murder of Innocence

Who's laughing "at" who anyway?  We laugh "in" delight and joy or at the absurdity of
pain, not 'at' misfortune.  It's not about laughing and feeling pleasure at another's
misfortune.  We're all in this together, and i mean, all. 

I do not enjoy seeing someone's joy squashed at every turn, no matter where it is
perceived to another that joy comes from. I believe in the displaying of joy as a gift to
the world, without being resented for it. There are those that like to judge this joy,
search for ulterior motives, etc. and for some reason they have to hurt this expression
of joy...the kind of joy coming from a benevolent sense of life....resting in the
innocence of all....but, what do they know? They cant see it themselves, so that
expression becomes suspect. 

It's not like i don't see how this squashing could also facilitate the return to sacrifice. Is that how we want to do things? I don't. 

But, you see, ultimately, i and everyone else was born innocent and that is how "I" will
remain forever. 

People punish each other, they negate, they degrade, they ridicule, they insult, they
point out--unable to conceive that it is that person's best, their best in that moment.
Perhaps the people who degrade....i suppose this is their best in the moment as well.
People do things because of themselves, it has nothing to do with another.  It does no
good to resent them they way they resent just perpetuates the cycle.  But, if
there is an evil, then that is it. 

Ayn Rand wrote: 

"The evil of a cultural atmosphere is made by all those who share it.  Anyone who has
ever felt resentment against the good being the good,  and has given voice to it, is the
murderer of innocence."                               



Tom Hickcox ~ AwarenessTheWayToLove

Taking Flight: The Self

A woodcarver called Ching had just finished work on a bell
frame. Everyone who saw it marveled, for it seemed to be the
work of spirits. When the Duke of Lu saw it, he asked,
"What sort of genius is yours that you could make such a

The woodcarver replied, "Sire, I am only a simple workman.
I am no genius. But there is one thing. When I am
going to make a bell frame, I meditate for three days to calm
my mind. When I have meditated for three days, I think no
more about rewards or emoluments. When I have meditated
for five days, I no longer think of praise or blame, skillfulness
or awkwardness. When I have meditated for seven days, I
suddenly forget my limbs, my body; no, I forget my very self. I
lose consciousness of the court and my surroundings. Only my
skill remains.

In that state I walk into the forest and examine each tree
until I find one in which I see the bell frame in all its perfection.
Then my hands got to the task. Having set my self aside,
nature meets nature in the work that is performed through
me. This, no doubt, is the reason why everyone says that the
finished product is the work of spirits."


Said a world-famous violinist about his success in playing Beethoven's
Violin Concerto: "I have splendid music, a splendid
violin and a splendid bow. All I need to do is bring them
together and get out of the way."

Anthony de Mello, S.J.

© 1988 by the Center for Spiritual Exchange

Hur Guler ~ Nisargadatta

  an article about the dangers of Advaita from WIE    

godz_will posted this message at the board. i'm serving
it for this group as a lightly battered goffer for the amusement of
nondual cats.  

An excerpt from an article about Advaita from WIE (Andrew Cohen's
magazine).   "While Advaita's profound inspiration and power to liberate is
undeniable, its worldview has not been without its critics. Even
though "modern" Advaita seems to emphasize the indivisible nature of
the world and Brahman, or the Self Absolute, Advaita philosophy has
traditionally expressed, as noted religious scholar Lance Nelson
points out, a "deep metaphysical bias against the world. . . . In the
end, the Advaita tradition fails to present a true nondualism of
world and Absolute. . . . It is rather an acosmic monism. It achieves
its nonduality not inclusively, but exclusively. Empirical reality is
admitted in a provisional way, but in the end it is cast out of the
Absolute, out of existence. From the highest perspective, the world
is simply not there [emphases ours]." Once again, even though modern
proponents of Advaita do not appear to exclude the world in their
vision of nonduality, in the classical view, the world is clearly
recognized as being either completely unreal, or only partially real.
And this is what Advaita has been historically criticized for.
Precisely because of its emphasis on the ultimate unreality and
illusory nature of the world and embodied existence, any teaching of
how to live in the world is entirely absent. More specifically, the
nondual teaching does not in any way address the ethical or moral
dimension of human life. And even though modern Advaita does not seem
to exclude the world in its nondual view, it still is devoid of any
teaching that addresses the realities of human life.  

Interestingly enough, it appears that historically Advaita did not
address ethical or moral questions because, according to Nelson, the
highest nondual teachings were "never intended to be a philosophy for
the general public." In fact, he states that they were "formulated by
and for a narrow spiritual elite of male brahmins [members of the
highest, priestly class], primarily sannyasins [renunciates], who
alone were believed qualified to fully appropriate its import." This
practically would have meant that the individual to whom the absolute
teachings were revealed would have already fulfilled the demanding
moral and ethical qualifications for discipleship. And even more than
that, Shankara himself states that the qualifications for
discipleship also demanded an extraordinary degree of detachment from
and transcendence of worldly desires:
The pupil must be dispassionate toward all things noneternal. . . .
[Having] abandoned the desire for sons, wealth and worlds, endowed
with self-control [and] compassion, he is a brahmin who is internally
and externally pure, whose thought is calm, who has reached
tranquility. . . . [Thus] let him go to a spiritual teacher who is
learned in the scriptures and established in Brahman.  

The Upadesasahasri  

The unusual phenomenon occurring in the postmodern spiritual
marketplace is that now, as never before in history, what were once
considered the highest esoteric teachings, revealed only to those who
were prepared and had proven themselves worthy of their unimaginable
depth and subtlety, are available to anyone who wanders into a
spiritual bookstore. An important question seems to be: Are most
seekers genuinely prepared for the psychological upheaval and world-
shattering shift of perception that penetration into the Absolute
unleashes? Advaita's emphasis on the illusory nature of embodied
existence has the potential to give license to human weakness and
self-indulgence if the individual is not already firmly grounded in a
fundamentally wholesome relationship to life. The unwholesome
tendencies characterized by narcissistic, neurotic and deeply cynical
convictions so common today create a dangerously weak foundation for
a nondual perspective that transcends all pairs of opposites,
including right and wrong. While Advaita's great strength is its
singular, unwavering emphasis on the Absolute dimension of existence,
its weakness is revealed in the limited scope of its singularity. And
while any truly absolute view must, by definition, transcend all
distinctions, the inherent potential of Advaita or non dualism to
inspire a worldview that is perilously empty of any value whatsoever
is enormous. Indeed, the potential for escape, rather than genuine
transcendence, is great in such an absolute teaching. For to be
embraced, absorbed and utterly consumed by the Absolute is one thing
but to escape from the inherent complexity of life in order to avoid
the overwhelming demand that true surrender requires is another thing


s_v_c_s ~ iam

All will come right in the end 

Question: What are the steps of practical training?

Sri Ramana Maharshi: It depends on the qualifications and nature of the seeker.

Questioner: I worship an idol.

Sri Ramana Maharshi: Go on doing so. It leads to concentration of
mind. Get one-pointed. All will come right in the end. People think
that liberation (moksha) is somewhere outside them to be sought for.

They are wrong. It is only knowing the Self in you. Concentrate and
you will realize it. It is your mind that is the cycle of births and
deaths (samsara).

Choo Meh Wah  ~ BuddhistWellnessGroup

Meditation Corner             

One inhalation and the mind wanders, so we bring it back again - and that itself is a moment of mindfulness. We are training the mind like a good mother trains her child. A little child doesn’t know what it is doing, it just wanders off; and if the mother gets angry with it and spanks and beats it, the child becomes terrified and neurotic. A good mother will just leave the child, keeping an eye on it, and if it wanders she will bring it back. Having that kind of patience, we’re not trying to bash away at ourselves, hating ourselves, hating our breath, hating everybody, getting upset because we can’t get tranquil with anapanasati.

~ Ajahn Sumedo~                                                                                                       


Water Lily

Photo by Alan Larus

Doug Fireman ~ TrueVision  &  Alan Larus ~ TrueVision



Photo by Alan Larus


Lost and Found  

I tried to be quiet,
but the stones crunched
under my feet,
and just as I approached...
you jumped into a pool
of molten thought
and disappeared...
leaving nothing but
concentric rings
of what might have
been had I remembered...

Upon returning
to the forest,
I saw you wearing
your floral crown,
tending to the flower seeds
you had planted
in the ground.

And when you smiled
at me, I realized...
quite profound...
that my grief
for what I lost
transformed to joy
when you were found

Doug Fireman

Eve ~ BuddhistWellnessGroup 

It is now or never.
It is never not now.

~ Stonepeace ~  

Choo Meh Wah ~ BuddhistWellnessGroup

Quiet Time for the Mind
By Judy Foreman, The Third Age, July 23, 2003

"New York, USA --  During the last decade, there has been a growing body of research showing that regular meditation -- the practice of quieting the mind through deep, continued thought -- can help reverse some of the ill effects of stress...

Many doctors and researchers have speculated about the reasons meditation -- sometimes called the "relaxation response" -- produces these effects. But a credible scientific explanation has been elusive until now. Such an explanation could describe how changes in brain function produced by altering one's mental focus affect people's moods and metabolism...

A new study by U.S. researchers at the University of Wisconsin and the University of Massachusetts is likely to provide a significant first step to answering the question of what goes on in the brain during meditation...

The researchers sought to test a particular theory: that in people who are stressed, anxious or depressed, the right frontal cortex of the brain is often overactive and the left frontal cortex, relatively underactive. Many such people also show heightened activation of the amygdala, a key brain center for processing fear.

By contrast, people who are usually calm and happy typically show greater activity in the left frontal cortex, relative to the right. These folks also pump out less of the stress hormone cortisol, recover faster from negative events and have higher levels of natural killer cells, a type of white blood cell that battles infection and is a measure of immune system function..."

Read the rest:

Ben Hassine  ~ NDS

The noble art of watching the I AM and Karel Appel  
Some thoughts:
There is one art that is above all the other arts. It is the art of watching, attending the I AM. It is surrender and inquiry at the same time and results in understanding and love.

This art awakens one to the  profound simplicity and singularity of "what is". Watching the I AM ends the movements of "me" and leads directly to the jewel of true Identity or "I" in the Heart.
Karel Appel, the Dutch Abstract Expressionist painter, said in an interview on Dutch television, he lives in: "...a world without laws...". He said he: "...would sit and wait for the inner light to go on...", before painting a fresh canvas. I felt and knew without a doubt he was describing the state of pure I AM from which all creativity emerges. Pure I AM is in a way at the root of the world and the place before the emergence of laws; it is the place where all laws originate from in other words. So I could understand what he was pointing at when he made the remark about the "world without laws".
I guess Appel was using the word "laws" for restrictions caused by sense of doership or conditioned action. But that's a guess.

Appel also said he is always painting. Even when talking, walking or eating. This could be the same as always attending, watching I AM. Until one abides effortless as pure I AM and thus goes beyond.
I feel like a painter as well. I paint the canvas of "I" with the paint of I AM. The result is the abstract expressionist work called" Le Monde".

Gene Poole  & Jerry Katz & Benny ~ Listcology


Hey Jer...

While you are at it, can you wrap it
to a table of 550? It is just too hard
to read those dang long sentences
on my 19" LCD display.


ok, I fixed it:

I still have a measly 15" monitor. But at least it's attached to my
eyeglasses so I can see it while i'm walking around.




Animation by Benny

Stephen (bodhibliss) ~ josephcampbellmythologygroup  &  Bill Rishel, Art 

The Eyes Have It
According to the Brihad Upanishad: "The Selfhood in the object attracts the Selfhood in the observer of the object. The Self pulls the Self. All love is this much."   Every so often i demonstrate this concept to my junior high school students by asking them to stand up, pair off, and look closely into each other's eyes.   Of course, this is met by a chorus of resistance, but i point out that they're not getting married to each other - heck, only about half the class happens to be boy/girl pairs anyway. All they are doing is looking into the eyes of another living being - could be a dog or cat, happens to be a primate - and observe ... more clinical than romantic.   This calms then down. I ask them to focus - give them a minute - then ask what they see.   Some students may describe the colors they see, or the size of the pupil, or some other detail but sooner or later someone says "I see ME!"



     Art by Bill Rishel




And that's the point i make. When i gaze into the eyes of another, i see my own reflection - a little me.   "Pupil" comes from the Lating "pupilla", meaning "little doll" - a little doll who looks like me which leads in to the point that when one takes the time to really look at another person, to gaze into another person's eyes (as when we fall in love), what one sees is one's Self in the Other (which is much of the attraction).   But of course, look closely enough - which takes time and commitment to focus - and one can see one's Self in every Other.   A happy little analogy.   (Of course, if i really want to spin their brains, i tell the students that they are my pupils ...the little dolls... )   "The Self pulls the Self. All Love is this much."   any thoughts?

Lisbeth ~ Monks_Mystics  &  Alan Larus ~ HarshaSatsangh




Photo by Alan Larus

HuaHuChing thirty seven

A superior person cares for the well-being of all things.

She does this by accepting responsibility for the energy
she manifests, both actively and in the subtle realm.
Looking at a tree, she sees not an isolated event but
root, leaves, trunk, water, soil and sun: each event
related to the others, and the "tree" arising out of
their relatedness.

Looking at herself or another, she sees the same thing.

Trees and animals, humans and insects, flowers and birds:

These are active images of the subtle energies that flow
from the stars throughout the universe. Meeting
and combining with each other and the elements of
the earth, they give rise to all living things.

The superior person understands this, and understands
that her own energies play a part in it.

Understanding these things, she respects the earth as
her mother, the heavens as her father, and all living
things as her brothers and sisters.

Caring for them, she knows that she cares for herself.
Giving to them, she knows that she gives to herself.
At peace with them, she is always at peace with

~ translated by Brian Walker ~

Panhala ~ Joe Riley  

from One or Two Things 
The god of dirt
came up to me many times and said
so many wise and delectable things, I lay
on the grass listening
to his dog voice,
crow voice,
frog voice; now,
he said, and now,
and never once mentioned forever
~ Mary Oliver ~

Joyce ~

"Physiology has denied the intelligence of the heart-muscle, but subjectivity finds in that quarter an unmistakeable epic of subtle discriminations:
The heart skips a beat, is troubled, suffers pangs, breaks, is stolen, is given, swells full to bursting with joy.
The neurons that drive the heart are far older than those in the brain.
They began some hundred million years ago to dwell on many subtle biological problems of kinship, altruism and sexuality.
That this groundwork would have been supplanted entirely is not nature's way, they must rather have been built upon, brain serving heart and not vice versa.
We need desperately to remember the functions of our hearts, to reclaim our inwards, our instincts, to conceive a new Theory of the Heart... "  


It's Not Easy Being Green



Pete, Skogen, Dan, & Joyce ~ AdvaitaToZen

Pete's Nonsense 


Pete, you are right. There is a German proverb which goes roughly
so: "If a donkey feels itself too well, it betakes itself on glazed
frost" (Wenn ein Esel sich zu wohl fühlt, begibt er sich aufs
Glatteis). Ha!


Pass me one of those cream-filled chocolate
glazed one's, Skoggman -- I feel really well!

And scratch me behind my ears, while you're at it!


Fresh out of donuts, sorry... Will a pear from Meister Eckart do in a pinch?

 Jonathan ~ The Other Syntax

  Four Quartets
I said to my soul, be still, and wait without hope
For hope would be hope for the wrong thing; wait without love
For love would be love of the wrong thing; there is yet faith
But the faith and the love and the hope are all in the waiting.
Wait without thought, for you are not ready for thought:
So the darkness shall be the light, and the stillness the dancing.

~  T.S. Eliot  ~

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