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#2940 - Friday, September 28, 2007 - Editor: Jerry Katz
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A thousand flames,
But one Fire,
A thousand hearts,
But one Desire.
A thousand journeys,
But one Path,
A thousand conclusions,
But One Math.
A thousand sorrows,
But one Night,
A thousand insights,
But one Light.
A thousand branches,
But one Tree,
A thousand lovers,
But one Thee.
- Guy Finley
The following is from Charlie Hayes' blog: http://charlesdavidhayes.blogspot.com/2007/09/q-i-was-wondering-if-you-could-help-me.html
Q: I was wondering if you could help me with some
thinking that has been happening. If the mind cannot know the
nondual Source, what can know?
An answer did bubble up in some detail, as you will read below. But I came back to the beginning because what occurred in the space here is to ask you first, why do you want to know these things? Lets get down to it: Are you suffering? Will the answers to arcane abstract questions like this end your seeking and suffering? Who cares about this?
I enjoy these kinds of discussions but my main thrust here on my site and with my talks and videos is to point out directly what is causing suffering so you can root that sucker out and enjoy the rest of your life without suffering, living in the freedom of perfect peace and effortless ease.
So: ARE you suffering? Lets get into that. Write back and tell me what the suffering is like for you. And well delve into that. Meanwhile when you finish reading this e-mail, read (or re-read) the essay on the front page of the website, The BASICS. Read a few times. Read each time as though you never read it before. (You havent ever read it before. Each moment is new!)
Meanwhile here is what came up in response to your questions:
If the mind cannot know the nondual Source, what can know ?
Nothing can know the nondual Source, as there is nothing OUTSIDE That to know That. It IS NONDUAL! The idea that Source can be known is the minds attempt to turn Source into a thing, an object that is known. Source is neither subject nor object. To the mind it is No Thing. Source is space-like Awareness, empty, meaningless, unbounded, infinite but all these words are absolutely insufficient to describe Source which is patently indescribable.
What the mind will try (and always fail) to do is to grasp the ungraspable. This goes on until it dawns on the seeker that the mind is, quite simply, the wrong tool for the job. The mind is a thing. Can a thing ever grasp NO thing? Its akin to the eye trying to see itself. Its hopeless!
Is this just another thing that is kind of self-evident always, or is knowing that you cannot know as far as that goes?
Yes, the Truth of your Being, that I AM that I am and that I AM that YOU are, is Self-Knowing Awareness. But this truth is NOT the words, concepts, thoughts. As Lao Tzu put it, The Tao (Source) that can be named is NOT the Eternal Tao (Source.)
The I AM you know beyond doubt. And, anything else must end up in the beauty and silence of what I call the gift of unknowing! So its getting to the heart of this when it is seen by no one, seeing with N aked Awareness Itself, that all the mind can EVER say in Truth is, I dont know.
I guess what I am really trying to figure out is: what is realized when you realize the Self?
In a word? NOTHING.
What is realized? That there is nothing to realize. Nothing. This is seeing by no one that there never was a division in Source. You ARE what you seek. Already always awake here and now. The seeking seems to divide Source into a subject seeker and an object called self for it to realize. Enlightenment can be said to be the simple knowing that there is nothing to get and no one to get it.
But to the Ultimate Unknowable Source, these are all dead words that are empty and meaningless, and the word enlightenment or the words self-realization are pointing to MYTHS!
If you are interested in ending suffering and living in natural freedom, ponder this: What or who is this I that says I am trying to figure this (un-figure-outable nondual Being) out?" The mind is machinery. You, when identified falsely as the mind-thinking-machinery, will endlessly ask questions like these and try to grab and own That, Source, which is OUTSIDE the mind! Seeing is happening. Seeing thoughts is happening. That is Consciousness, your knowing directly I AM before the thought arises that I am 'me,' is Presence, Awareness, arising as seeing without a seer, knowing without a knower, clarity without a subject or object.
The mind is a thought, I that as taken to be a solid separate thinking feeling controlling entity, I apart from Other, then that thought-structure SEEMS to divide up totality. But can a thought do anything? Can a feeling/thought actually divide the Whole?
Do you actually come to know the Source of this I AM or is it just realized that you can never know, so the search gets called off and you get back to being?
What search? What Source? What being? Who would get back to that which has never been left? Being IS. Unknowable, That is the silence of deep sleep, pure Awareness before Consciousness arises as the knowing I AM and then is translated by Infinite Energy into the thought-form I AM me.
These are very good questions, it seems that you are on the precipice of this and Id say, as John Wheeler once said to me, get ready for a life free of suffering!
For now, Id say, write back and tell me the nature of the suffering for you, and also Id suggest you watch the video series This Is It on YouTube HERE. There is also a link on the site to a dialogue wherein the seeking and suffering ended for a guy named Paul. That ones on the audio/video page. The download is free.
"Earlier I was sure of so many things, now I am sure of nothing. But I feel that I have lost nothing by not knowing, because all my knowledge was false. My not knowing was in itself knowledge of the fact that all knowledge is ignorance, that `I do not know' is the only true statement the mind can make." - Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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