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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4900 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-04-24
Subject: #4900 - Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4900 - Wednesday, April 24, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Are they true?В 
Or they seem clear and we just assume that
they are true because there is clarity?
How do we know?В В 
How do we know anything?
And how can this passion for truth lead to anything anyway,
as at the end of everything,В  when one really goes to the end,В  there is nothing.В В 
Everything falls apart,В  returns to source.В 
Void.В В 
At the end of everything is Nothing.В В  And at the beginning as well.
All expressions,В  all intimations,В  insights,В  come up and disappear.В 
Born out of Emptiness and returns.В В 
Only Emptiness remains.
Insights can point to the direction of truth at the moment of expression,В В 
but then they are instantly passed their prime.
Their moment of glory is immediate, never to return.
The pointing to what Is, eternal and unchanging is true,В В  is real.
Is the golden grail all through the ages,В  the alchemist gold,В 
the description of nirvana,В  the diamond of the sutras.В 
But the language used to express becomes
archaic and out dated in no time.В 
As This is ever fresh and new,В  and cannot be captured by any word,В 
not even the most sublime as it defies all descriptions.
Its beyond the known,В 
beyond language,В 
beyond labels,В 
its always pristine,В 
always experienced in the ever present Now.В В 
Its the ever ongoing open experiencing of all that is.
Try as you might,В 
you will never not be this,
As this is All there.
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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4901 From: Gloria Lee Date: 2013-04-26
Subject: #4901 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

#4901 - Thursday, April 25, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee
"You are not separate from the whole. You are one with the sun, the earth, the air.
You don't have a life. You are life." (Guardians of Being)

~ Eckhart Tolle
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"As your practice becomes more stable, it will no longer be necessary to meditate
intentionally on emptiness; it will be integrated into your understanding. You will reach
a point when you see that emptiness and compassion, emptiness and phenomena, and
absolute and relative truth, are intrinsically one, rather than being in each case two
separate entities like the horns of a goat. The vaster your view of emptiness, the
clearer your understanding will be of the infinite ways phenomena can manifest in
accordance with the law of cause and effect. And it is from emptiness inseparable from
compassion that a bodhisattva manifests."
~ Dilgo Khyentse Rinpoche
From the book, "The Heart of Compassion," published by Shambhala.
via Daily Dharma

From Rananas Forty Verses
Instead of firmly abiding in the Heart in one's own true state, to
quarrel "real or unreal, form or formless, many or one" is to be blinded by illusion.
Self-abidance alone is a miracle.
The other miracles are like dreams which last until waking.
Can those firmly rooted in reality lapse into illusion?
Alan Larus Photography

(In my sleep I dreamed this poem)
Someone I loved once gave me
a box full of darkness.
It took me years to understand
that this, too, was a gift.
~ Mary Oliver


"Perhaps everything terrible is in its deepest being
Something helpless that needs help from us."
~ Rilke
via Daily Dharma

Alan Larus Photography
Words are a pretext. It is the inner bond that draws one person to another, not words.
~ Rumi

Earth Verse
Wide enough to keep you looking
Open enough to keep you moving
Dry enough to keep you honest
Prickly enough to make you tough
Green enough to go on living
Old enough to give you dreams
~ Gary SnyderВ 
(Mountains and Rivers Without End: Poem)
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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4902 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-04-26
Subject: #4902 - Friday, April 26, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4902 - Friday, April 26, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Review ofВ The Sun Rises in the Evening, by Gary Nixon.
Reviewed by Jerry Katz
A Watercourse Way to Standing As Awareness
By Jerry Katz
Book's purpose:
Gary Nixon says, "This book is an invitation to you to find completion and wholeness, to work through second stage recovery fully, including a necessary descent to let go of the separate self, and to embrace third stage recovery and abide in non-dual being."
Although second stage, or stage two recovery, is never defined (nor is stage one), periodically Gary refers to addiction recovery pioneer Earnie Larsen who apparently made up the term "Stage II recovery." Therefore I'll quote from Larsen's website for these definitions. They come from :
"Stage I is about arresting the addiction or surviving the crisis. Stage II(tm) Recovery, which Earnie created in 1985, is about understanding the triggers and imprinting that left us vulnerable in the face of substitutes. ... Stage II(tm) Recovery requires discipline, practice, and the ability to refuse to let the past rob you of your present. ... Stage II(tm) Recovery answers will seldom be found in Stage I recovery groups. They have different focuses, and that's okay. Keep in mind, one stage is not better than another. There can be no Stage II if Stage I has not been won. Recovery does not end with sobriety."
Nor does recovery end with Stage two body/mind integration. As physically, socially, mentally, emotionally, and spiritually integrated as the separate self may become in stage two, beyond that stage is third stage recovery, which means the dying to the separate self.
Gary notes that separate self is a hard nut to die to: "It is truly rare for people to have died to the underlying central addiction, that is their separate self. This means that it must be confronted at the end of stage two recovery so that they can make a passage into stage three recovery and abiding in non-dual being."
Something I like:
I believe we all want our nonduality books to hit us hard. We become sensitized to these books. What shook us a couple years ago is familiar territory now. Yet we probably don't want to feel personally attacked by an author or teacher. There are some who may be self-realized but easily offended or exasperated by someone they imagine is celebrating separate-self indulgences. I like this book because I don't see Gary being offended. You can read some hard-hitting stuff here without ever having to negotiate the gaping jaws of "I'm self-realized, you're not."
Something else I like:
This is a well ordered and clearly explained book. Gary lays out the importance of abiding nondual awareness right away. Then he shows where the journey out of addiction gets stalled and how to go beyond it through the methodologies/understandings of Ken Wilber and A.H. Almaas. However there is no demand that the reader, counselor, or client become immersed in those teachings.
Every chapter elaborates on a theme, gives one or more stories to support it, and closes with a doable exercise for the reader. Gary divulges a lot about himself personally. He also cites case studies. Sometimes to support his themes he quotes well-known current or historical teachers/sharers of nonduality. This strong personal component makes the book very readable.
About himself, Gary writes, "When I started my journey towards non-dual being, I did not know it at the time, but I was still caught in my narcissistic stance towards existence. I was addicted to showing how special I was. When I left law to embrace transpersonal psychology and Eastern contemplative ways of being, I carried this demand of my specialness with me. Because of early successes--graduating and practicing law at 23--I thought I was a brilliant person, and the doors of life would always open up to me. I never could have predicted how wrong this was and how truly I was a misguided fool."
If you're going to read a nonduality book, yes, it should from someone like that. It makes it easier to look at and admit one's own foolishness so that one's energy is free to ... be free. Gary says it differently: "It seems essential that a person has to become aware of, to fully admit and let in to their consciousness, the fakeness and empty shell of their narcissistic pursuits of specialness, so that the fall into being becomes a possibility."
What is this "fall into being"? I hope you don't mind a longish rant.
This book is all about that fall into being. But I do have a question about it, a question of discernment. Because I'm not sure what is meant by a fall into being. Nonduality writers these days all talk about the realization of "just this" or taking one's stand in awareness. That's fine, but something is missing. That's not the only way to describe a fall into being.
From my own experiences as an innocent boy between the ages of 7 to 10 or so -- not as an older adult looking for something spiritual that would ease the pain of being a fool in a foolish world -- but as a boy, I involuntarily took my stand in what I called "I am."
When the "I am" thing dissolves there is the standing free, standing alone, or standing as awareness. That's been my experience. Although there were a few years in my early twenties where I tried to attain something like enlightenment, it was only when I remembered "I am" that I saw no need to do anything other than to keep remembering it, or, as Nisargadatta said, to "follow the I am."
But no one talks about the "I am" anymore. Everyone "Tony Parsons" it away. I say hang out there a little while. Live life from there for a few years. Let it dissolve in its own time. Don't listen to the people who want to yank the "I am" out of you and pull you into their "standing as awareness" understanding.
You never have to take your stand as awareness in any sort of going-to-a-retreat-to-talk-to-unmani-so-that-I-can-be-freer sort of way. Or in a going-on-a-seven-day-silent-retreat-with-Adyashanti-so-that-the-hockey-game-in-my-head-can-settle-down-and-i-can-say-hello-to-awareness-itself kind of way.
Coming from the "I am" you see that the business of standing in awareness isn't yours anyway. It's "I am's" business. You've released into "I am." When "I am" dissolves or goes away, you're taking your stand as awareness whether you like it or not. Of course there's no "you" and no "your" nor is there "standing as awareness." There just is. But now I'm sounding like a nondualist, which I'm not.
I'm more of an "I-am-ist," if you want to know the truth. And there are two kinds of "I-am-ists." Since living as the "I am" means living as the flow of life, it can be swung like a backpack onto one's psyche in order to manifest stuff. You want a successful business or book, fancy car, hot gf? Bring your psychic energy to the I am. That's the fill-your-backpack-with-stuff kind of "I-am-ist." If you're into that, Wayne Dyer is your man.
The other kind is the one who doesn't want or need anything and simply gazes at the suchness of "I am." That's what I eventually came to. You don't gaze at the suchness as a technique in order to manifest a higher understanding or to start a nonduality website. You gaze at the suchness of "I am" because you have no other choice. You don't want to manifest anything. It's enough to just be. There's no gazer in that process because it is clear that the "I am" is gazing right back at you. There is only the gazing. This gazing at suchness -- it's a gazing of suchness upon suchness -- when it arises naturally, does eventually lead to the dissolution of the whole "I am" thing. What is left is what we call awareness, consciousness, just this, abiding as nondual awareness, etc. Wayne Dyer would never talk about this because there's no fame, money, PBS, or Oprah in it. But believe me, he knows all about this nonduality stuff. So does Deepak Chopra. But they live out their missions to be mass communicators, and that's fine.
Have I been digressing?
It's very powerful and effective to live your life from "I am." It's what I would call stage three recovery. Stage four, then, would be abiding in nondual awareness. Am I re-writing Gary's book? Oops.
Back to the original question, "What is the fall into being?" In my experience you can fall into the "I am," you can fall into the gaze of suchness upon suchness, and you can fall into abiding as nondual awareness. I suppose. And although Gary has his own terminology he does talk about different depths of giving up or "falling into." A description of the gaze of suchness is seen here:
"Having given up striving, a deep relaxation takes place as there is no place to go, and nothing to do. Understanding that all is perfect as it is right now means we do not have to strive to change anything or anyone in this place of neither me nor you. Everything is okay in suchness as it is right now. In this isness it is all here, right now. This isness is it. There is no method to let go, it is just a seeing in this moment."
At a deeper level of "falling into" there is no seer of the moment:
The true panacea for suffering lies in awakening to reality and what is, as we realize there is no such thing as a permanent self, as in actuality no one exists. And as one goes deeper into this, one starts to enjoy what has been called the original medicine and that is "never born, never died".
In the construction of this book you can see the increasing depths and ways of giving up and you can practice them through the exercises.
I only wish there was more of a line in the sand when it comes to the "I am" knowings and the place beyond, which in this book is called abiding in nondual awareness. But my wish applies to all nonduality books.
The sound bite
So I have to sum up my feelings, my opinion, and give a sound bite, right? Look. We're all addicts. Addicts to our little self. We all need help. Raise your hand if you don't need any help. (Anyone mind helping me raise my hand? I'm getting older.) Gary Nixon's book is a watercourse way to standing as awareness. Each chapter flows along a water bed and cuts deeper and deeper as it flows along. The question is, "Do you float on top and look down into the depths, or do you dive into the abyss?" It's truly your choice.
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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4903 From: Dustin LindenSmith Date: 2013-04-27
Subject: #4903 - Saturday, April 27, 2013 - Editor: Dustin LindenSmith
Today's Highlight of the Highlights comes from an issue edited by Mark Otter in January, 2007. It reminds me of how long Mark has been such a great curator of material by Rumi, Nasrudin, and the like. He consistently finds nuggets from those ancient writers which feel fresh and contemporary even by today's standards. Despite all the technological advances, I suppose the human condition hasn't really changed that much in the last thousand years...

I also always appreciate well-constructed analogies such as the one delivered by Rumi at the end of this issue about an embryo's view of the world. A terribly apt way to look at our own present-day awakening.


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Date: Sun, Jan 21, 2007 at 1:26 AM
Subject: [NDhighlights] #2705 - Saturday, January 20, 2007
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Nondual Highlights Issue #2705, Saturday, January 20, 2007

Thinking is a pernicious, acquired habit.

It is not man's real nature. All that comes
out of it is sheer nonsense for the strengthening
of the false sense of ego.

- Ramesh S. Balsekar, A Net of Jewels, posted to AlongTheWay

A widow came to the Mulla's court and said: "I am very poor. My young son eats a great deal of sugar: in fact he is addicted to it. This means that I cannot make ends meet. Would the Court forbid him to eat sugar, because I cannot myself enforce this request?"

"Madam," said the Mulla, "this problem is not as easy as it seems. Return in a week and the decision will be given, after I have examined the case more thoroughly."

After a week the woman's name was again on the list of supplicants. "I am sorry," Nasrudin said to her when her turn came, "there will be another ajournment of this very tricky case until next week."

The same thing happened for the following fortnight.

At length Nasrudin announced: "The Court will now give its injunction. Call the lad."

The young man was brought the Mulla.

"Boy!" thundered the magistrate, "You are forbidden to eat sugar, except for half an ounce a day."

The woman now expressed her thanks to the Mulla, and begged leave to ask one question.

"Say on," said Nasrudin.

"Your Worship, I am mystified as to why you did not forbid the boy to ear sugar at any of the earlier hearings."

"Well," said Nasrudin, "I had to get myself out of the habit first, didn't I? How could I know that it would take so long."

posted to SufiMystic, as collected by Idries Shah

"to let go and let god" really
means realizing that one is not the doer and
allowing a response from the heart to whatever
arises, without any attachment, fear or expectations.

some pious soul said in nasrudin's hearing: "god's
will shall be done" "god's will is always done
anyway" responded nasrudin. "oh, really? can you
prove it?" said the guy, feeling slightly affronted.
"sure. were it not so, somehow, at least sometimes
MY will would have been done, wouldn't it?" replied

- Yosy, posted to SufiMystic

So I tell you, thus shall you think of all this fleeting world:

A star at dawn, a bubble in a stream;

A flash of lightening in a summer cloud,

A flickering lamp, a phantom, and a dream.

- Buddha

posted to DailyDharma

A self is like an old house- maintenance intense.
it requires lots of effort to keep it in shape. My
self leans unpainted, unkempt, full of holes,
the roof licks, the floor sags. My self is
crisscrossed by light's rays. That's where
the dust gathers to dance.

Pete, posted to Nondualitysalon

The Teapot

The pot in which I brew my tea
Is dented and more than a bit tarnished,
But I still enjoy the tea.
The house I live in
Needs a coat of paint and several shingles,
But I sleep well at night.
The body I use to live my life
Is wrinkled and slowing down,
But I am alive and I rejoice.

I am not the body in which I live,
I am the life itself.

- Mark

The Universe

What if someone said to an embryo in the womb,
"Outside of your world of black nothing
is a miraculously ordered universe;
a vast Earth covered with tasty food;
mountains, oceans and plains,
fragrant orchards and fields full of crops;
a luminous sky beyond your reach,
with a sun, moonbeams, and uncountable stars;
and there are winds from south, north and west,
and gardens replete with sweet flowers
like a banquet at a wedding feast.

The wonders of this world are beyond description.
What are you doing living in a dark prison,
Drinking blood through that narrow tube?"
But the womb-world is all an embryo knows
And it would not be particularly impressed
By such amazing tales, saying dismissively:
"You're crazy. That is all a deluded fantasy."

One day you will look back and laugh at yourself.
You'll say, " I can't believe I was so asleep!
How did I ever forget the truth?
How ridiculous to believe that sadness and sickness
Are anything other than bad dreams."

- Rumi, posted to truevision


Group: NDhighlights Message: 4904 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-04-29
Subject: #4904 - Monday, April 29, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4904 - Monday, April 29, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Interview with Didier Weiss, conducted by Jerry Katz

Didier WeissВ is French, 50 years old, and has lived in Auroville, India since 1994. He is married and has one child. Didier is a sound engineer for his company Sound Wizard, which designs acoustic spaces for concert halls, auditoriums, hotels, convention centres, nightclubs, home theatres, and every other kind of space that requires acoustic design. His website atВ http://soundwizard.netВ 

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0:00 - 6:05 Didier talks about some of his life prior to living in Auroville and how he and his wife Cecilia picked up there life in Paris and moved to Auroville where they've been for twenty years. The price of responsibility.В 

6:05 - 13:03 Didier's spiritual background beginning at age 15 - 16. Stephen Jourdain discussed.В . Spiritual nature of Auroville. Sorry about some static that appears near the end of this track. The static shows up periodically in this interview. It was a problem somewhere between our computers. I'm in Nova Scotia and Didier is in Auroville, India.

13:03 - 20:03 Didier meets Ramesh Balsekar and talks about his teaching and what he communicated. "I could almost see what he was talking about." The penny drops, a shift happens. Seeing what it was all about. Loss of a centre. Integration of the shift.

20:03 - 23:55 Life goes on after the shift. The nature of the spiritual story. Life as being on auto pilot. How life is to Didier.

23:55 - 24:25 Richard Sylvester and addiction to meaning. Nondual writings as art.

24:25 - 28:35 Didier's work as a sound engineer and designer of acoustic spaces. The nature of his business. How things unfold for him. How nondual understanding comes into relationships with people he encounters in business.

28:35 - 34:54 Lack of concern for the outcome of work even while being passionate, active, and fighting for business. It's a game. The place of stillness in the game. Pleasure of the game. Some practical and technical details of Didier's business and work.

34:54 - 40:01 What is perception? How does it work? Didier's interest in perception started when he was mixing music. His discoveries regarding perception of sound.В 

40:01 - 51:13 Didier goes further into insights that came out of his experience mixing music. The three lessons about perception he learned as a sound engineer. Silence. Quotation from Leo Hartong.ВВ The experience of silence as the space in which sound arises and present all the time. Silence as source. Beautiful confession about silence.В 

51:13 - 58:37 Didier talks a little about family. "The universe is made of stories, not of atoms," (Muriel Rukeyser) is what he feels. Talking about nonduality. You can't teach anything. A journey happens.В 

58:37 - 1:02:33 Valuing the discovery of insights. Nature of seeking. Hiding reality in plain sight, such as silence. Simplicity of nonduality is the most difficult aspect to talk about.В 

1:02:33 - 1:06:08 Didier's life as simple, but complexity within it. Complexity doesn't add any weight to life. The total weightlessness of what happens. What's gone is something that's not real. Problem of disappearance of the center. Suzanne Segal mentioned. There is no real loss.В 

1:06:08 - 1:07:52 Silence as the best way to communicate "this." Reality as a singularity. Analogy of a movie.

1:07:52 - 1:11:52 Talking about business again. Applying the community philosophy of Auroville to relating to people who work for him. Harmonious interplay of the parts of Didier's life.В 

1:11:52 - Didier talks about his wife Cecilia and her interest in nondual teachings. Anamika mentioned. Relationships and nondual consciousness. Family stuff. Understanding the mechanical or conditioned nature of personality and relationships is basis for a simpler and more harmonious life. Gordon Neufeld's work with children discussed:ВВ . Connecting at the source.В 

1:19:35 - 1:24:53 Resonance with another person through a root connection or a non-separate reality. Gordon Neufeld and feeling of suppression and sense of separation.

1:24:53 - 1:28:03 Art as healing. Music as healing. The suffering of artists he's met.


Group: NDhighlights Message: 4905 From: Gloria Lee Date: 2013-05-01
Subject: #4905 - Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

#4905 - Tuesday, April 30, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee
The Nonduality Highlights
Douglas Raglin to Nonduality Highlights on Facebook
I recently attended a community presentation on “Conscious Dying”. It was so
refreshing to discuss and hear about end of life experiences from caregivers. Also, the
possibility of being creative with oneÂ’s own end of life. Choosing to be responsible for
the difficult decisions, and be creative with how we are remembered and treated once
we are gone. Just a public discussion with some important information as to a right we
can all exercise. By the way there was no speculation involved with what might come
after, beliefs that we individually or collectively would like to impose upon the unknown.
One comment that has stuck with me came from 3 family members who were caring for
their beloved mother. When the mother finally accepted, this is the end, she uttered,
“Just how long is this going to take”? It was another 4 days of precious time for those
still with time, but a wait for that last exhale.
The main reason this stands out for me is the human condition I find myself in, basically
waiting around for the end of my own “self importance” still clinging to an “Ego”. Beyond
all the teachings of Buddhas, Christ and other realized individuals is a nagging
awareness that there is an end to perceived isolation. I struggle to maintain the very
cause of my own dissatisfaction with life, wanting it to be other than it is. The inner
conflict and negotiations to free myself from this obsession is not so different than all
the conflict I see in the world today, although a bit friendlier. As with the dying
mother, the end came not in her declaration, “I am ready”, but inevitable none the less.
Can I relax enough to accept the unity of “self” and experience. Trust in this innate
wisdom, and practice some real forgiveness and compassion. Forgive myself for
struggling so unnecessarily, compassion for the human condition I find myself in. End my
addiction of being in apparent control, ever clinging to the judgment that I would be
there if I am sincere enough.
Apparently humans do have this ability, whether you be a carpenterÂ’s son, or a noble
prince, a graduate from here or there, we do have some examples that complete letting
go with an intention to truly live life as it is, is a transformational experience that we
all long for, a sense of unity!!! Personal experimentation to achieve a natural state of
awareness is both attractive and necessary to end the false perception of isolation.
“Just how long is this going to take?
Ed Note: Having just moved my mother to an assisted living facility, this piece resonated.
It is terribly difficult to cope with change at age 91, to give up being in one's own home, to
be at the mercy of others for care.

My heart, the bird of the wilderness,
has found its sky in your eyes.
They are the cradle of the morning,
they are the kingdom of the stars.
My songs are lost in their depths.
Let me but soar in that sky, in its lonely immensity.
Let me but cleave its clouds and spread wings in its sunshine.
Alan Larus Photography

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4906 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-01
Subject: #4906 - Wednesday, May 1, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4906 - Wednesday,В May 1, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

A Sprinkling of Jewels, compiled and edited by Kalyani Lawry & Peter Lawry,В is a simple and elegant book of Sailor Bob AdamsonÂ’s nondual pointersВ  to the true nature of being. It is a collection of insights that can be explored in less than an hour and yet have everlasting value. Potent pointers like his, “WhatÂ’s wrong with right now if you donÂ’t think about it?” use words and concepts in a manner that allows the words and concepts to dissolve such that what is unveiled is experience itself. Each page depicts an image and a quote that is a testament of one who has truly recognized the difference between knowledge and understanding. Highly recommended for its straightforwardness and precision and the absence of misleading filler!
Reviewed by James Traverse
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A photographic sampling of A Sprinkling of Jewels is here:
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From the publisher's website:
A Sprinkling of Jewels is a beautiful compilation of Sailor Bob Adamson's pointers. It is a distillation of his teachings – a collection indeed of sparkling jewels.
Images of Bob and photos taken in and around his home have been seamlessly married with the text in this 90 page book produced in black and white. The juxtaposition of the images and text evokes an unimagined clarity.В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В 
Read this book sequentially, or simply open any page. Each pointer reflects the light of understanding and has the capacity to take you home.В 
The book may be purchased here:


Awakening and Beyond

by Colin Drake

What is awakening?

See Г‚вЂ˜AwakeningÂ’ in A Light Unto Your Self. My short answer is:

Becoming aware of, and fully identifying with, pure awareness - the constant conscious subjective presence that underpins our lives...

WhatÂ’s your motivation?

To enjoy life and foster/spread as much joy in the world as I can – see Г‚вЂ˜Why Do Anything?Â’ at

What is the value of a one-time or occasional awakening? WhatÂ’s the downside?

The value is that it gives you a glimpse of what is potentially possible (to become a permanent Г‚вЂ˜mode of beingÂ’) and that it may inspire you to cultivate awakening by continued investigation/contemplation. The downside is that you may cling to the experience of this, however that may manifest itself, and attempt to regain it. All such experience is fleeting, just a by-product of awakening, and will vary with each awakened moment.

Did you experience a “honeymoon of awakening” in which life is a non-resistant flow?

How long did it last and please describe it. Describe falling out of it. Describe any disorientation. Give examples.

Yes, it lasted for about a year, being a feeling of ecstasy that gradually faded. See Г‚вЂ˜Spiritual ExperienceÂ’ in Beyond The Separate Self. I never actually fell out of it as it just faded but the Г‚вЂ˜ease of beingÂ’ remained, leaving no feeling of disorientation. That particular feeling was most evident when I returned home from the retreat where I experienced my first awakening, in a semi drunken state, to normal day-to-day family life. I found I had to be very alert to Г‚вЂ˜hold it all togetherÂ’.

What kind of energetic changes have happened or are happening for you regarding the body, mind, emotions, or perception of things? How are such changes addressed?

I donÂ’t worry any more about the future, something that I used to indulge in. The result of this is that I sleep better, stay more relaxed and my mind is much quieter. All of which liberate more energy so that I get less tired and need less sleep. I am writing this at 4.30 a.m. after less than six hours in bed!

What can you say you know for certain?

A loaded question as the traditionally accepted answer would be Г‚вЂ˜nothingÂ’ – a la Socrates! However, I have discovered that deeper than body/mind (thoughts/sensations) there is constant unchanging pure awareness and that when one fully identifies with this, rather than the body/mind, oneÂ’s world changes for the better Â…. See Г‚вЂ˜Awakening is Immensely PracticalÂ’ at for a summary of how.

How do you see the world of form? What is it to you?

When Г‚вЂ˜awakeÂ’ (I nod off occasionally) I see it Г‚вЂ˜as it isÂ’ which is much brighter, more vivid and alive than when seen through the filter of the ego (identification with body/mind). To me it is a wonderful manifestation of cosmic energy - consciousness in motion - arising in, residing in, and subsiding back into pure awareness - consciousness at rest. In the same way that all motion arises in, resides in and returns to stillness.

Talk about your experiences of anxiety, depression, sadness, frustration, and other such states. Do you ever suffer? How do you deal with stressful situations? If you donÂ’t mind, try to give specifics regarding surroundings and senses. In other words, try to tell a good story about these experiences.

I do not suffer from existential angst, depression or deep-rooted sadness. That is not to say that my life has been 'a bed of roses' but that I find that nothing disturbs me deeply or permanently. Needless to say I suffer temporary frustrations and occasional bouts of mild anger, as I'm sure do almost all human beings, but these are ephemeral and come and go like clouds in the sky leaving it unaffected. I also do not suffer from obstructions in my personal relationships, as if any 'stuff' arises in these I am always keen to defuse it immediately (by communicating with the person in question) and avoid it festering. I also do not dwell on the past, in fact I rarely even think of it, so that does not plague me, and I either use negative mind-states as an opportunity to sink back into awareness again, or as a good laugh that my mind could be so dumb as to take anything that seriously! I am also on the lookout not to read meaning into things that have no meaning ... which is just about everything!! So you may find many of my answers to be a disappointment if you wish them to contain many instances of my own mental suffering.

I have always found that the world is perceived through one's own filter and if you are naturally cheerful and optimistic, traits which I was blessedly born with, then this is a great help. I also have a mind which immediately looks for the 'silver lining' in every situation, however difficult this may be and I am very grateful for this. I can also furnish you with a litany of 'traumatic' experiences from my childhood and seven years in a strict Methodist boarding school, where caning was the norm and bullying and homosexuality were rife, but the problem here is that I did not find them 'traumatic', unpleasant yes but not deeply affecting as they seem to have been 'let go' in a very short time. Life is too short for holding on and there are always a plethora of new moment-to-moment experiences to be had and savoured without letting the past ones detract from this!

I am naturally saddened by many things I see in the world: greed, exploitation, environmental degradation, manÂ’s inhumanity to man, natural disasters which result in suffering etcÂ… However, I do not find that these affect my overall feeling of equanimity. I also do get frustrated at times, which can lead to unnecessary mental suffering, which I try to use as a symptom that once again I have nodded off and am misidentifying.

To give a trite, but instructive, example this occurs most when I am playing golf which seems to be designed to take one from the highs to the lows of emotional experience in an amazingly short time. Especially when you are as competitive as I tend to be (in this case a competition with myself) and the amazing shot (or sequence of these) is followed by a Г‚вЂ˜fluffÂ’ or series of these. This can then cause one to Г‚вЂ˜tiltÂ’ after which oneÂ’s game tends to deteriorate rapidly, for it requires relaxed concentration to be played well. So now I treat it as an exercise in awareness, staying alert as I can to the mind-story that it Г‚вЂ˜mattersÂ’, is a very hard game, or that I am hopeless at it. If the story stops and each shot is treated as a separate entity having no relationship to the past one(s) then suddenly, and miraculously, my game improves.

In regard to the above question, you may speak about relationships with family, friends, co-workers, students/followers. Activism. Workplace. Death and dying. Art. Psychology. Any aspect of life experience.

As far as human relationships are concerned, the key is to keep communication clear, open and honest. I have been happily married for 38 years and have two wonderful sons who I see regularly. I play golf with the eldest twice a week, and the other comes home every week to use his Г‚вЂ˜gymÂ’ and share a family meal. I have never been able to bear having Г‚вЂ˜stuffÂ’ in my relationships and have always found it easier to contact the other person as soon as any difficulties occur and talk them through. Being a natural joker and buffoon I am used to being laughed at and am always ready to apologize when I am in the wrong Â… not an unusual occurrence being somewhat thick-skinned and therefore liable to insensitivity.

My take on activism is discussed in Г‚вЂ˜The Environment and AwarenessÂ’ at and with regard to art see Г‚вЂ˜Awareness and CreativityÂ’ at the same site.

With reference to death and dying I am very curious about this having no beliefs in this matter. I agree with the Dalai Lama who said that he is looking forward to seeing what occursÂ… I have no fear of this as I know that when this ephemeral mind/body (manifestation of consciousness) cease to function awareness continues. Not necessarily this Г‚вЂ˜streamÂ’ but the ocean, of which I am a temporary manifestation and instrumentÂ… See Г‚вЂ˜Instrument of the DivineÂ’ in A Light Unto Your Self

.As far as reincarnation goes I have no opinion on this one way or the other. If it is the case I am not seeking to escape this Г‚вЂ˜veil of tearsÂ’, and get off the wheel of Samsara, as I have never found life to be like this. I love the natural world and enjoy living in it and assisting (seeming) others to enjoy this too.

How is awakening used to avoid psychological pain? What is the correct way to address that pain?

It is not used, like a medicine, to avoid psychological pain, some of which is unavoidable in life. What occurs is that when you are awake this pain does not cause unnecessary mental suffering by stewing on it, or telling yourself a story about it and what it means about Г‚вЂ˜youÂ’, thus feeding it. See Г‚вЂ˜FreedomÂ’ in Poetry From Beyond The Separate Self.

At any point in your life of awakening did you have feelings of superiority? How is it dealt with?

If it occurs it causes immediate feelings of separation leading to mental suffering, a wake up call to the fact of misidentification. This evokes Г‚вЂ˜awareness of awarenessÂ’ in which there is no Г‚вЂ˜meÂ’ or Г‚вЂ˜otherÂ’ and thus no possibility of superiority. My usual reaction is to laugh at my mindÂ’s stupidity to create this thought. DonÂ’t get me wrong I have great respect, and affection for, my mind Â… until it starts trying to assume control by assuming the mantle of Г‚вЂ˜who I amÂ’.

Do/Did you ever get stuck in meaningless or emptiness?

When I first realized that nothing has any meaning it was actually a great relief, a feeling of liberation rather than stuckness. Manifestation is inherently empty, being a constantly changing Г‚вЂ˜swirlÂ’ of cosmic energy. Even at the day to day level it is obvious that everything (awareness is not a thing) is impermanent. As Heraclitus said Г‚вЂ˜you canÂ’t step in the same river twiceÂ’, for the water is in constant movement. As far as meaninglessness goes nothing has any (inherent) meaning, so thereÂ’s no problem. See Г‚вЂ˜Nothing has Essential MeaningÂ’ in A Light Unto Your Self

How else does the ego get deluded in the journey to awakening?

By thinking that it is who you are Â… the ego that searches for awakening is always deluded. For awakening leads to realizing that the ego is empty like everything else. For me, the fact that awareness is ever present means that it only requires one to become aware of this for awakening to be induced. Then the investigation of Г‚вЂ˜who am I?Â’ within this framework of Г‚вЂ˜awareness of awarenessÂ’ finishes the job. Although this then needs to be cultivated for awakening to be ever present. See Г‚вЂ˜The Myth of Doing NothingÂ’ in A Light Unto Your Self

WhatÂ’s the next best thing to awakening?


How is it associated with awakening?

It gives one a glimpse of the astounding beauty of creation which is seen when one is awake. It also raises oneÂ’s headspace above the cares and worries of day-to-day living, another by-product of awakening.

WhatÂ’s the most mature state for ego?

To be a servant rather than assuming it is the master.

In other words, whatÂ’s the best thing to do while waiting?

Investigate the nature of reality, preferably after becoming Г‚вЂ˜aware of awarenessÂ’.

Is it possible to live so maturely from the ego that it looks like awakening?

No, for the ego will always take itself seriously and defend itself when under attack.

Conversely, is there a life of awakening that looks wild, untamed, and immature?

Possibly, all models and personalities differ.

How can someone know the difference?

If the person in question never takes offence, thus has no self-image, then they are awake.

Talk about emotions. How do I know if emotion is coming from a divided or an undivided place?

See Г‚вЂ˜Awareness and EmotionsÂ’ at

Talk about security and insecurity. What is security to you?

Security is identifying with, and as, pure awareness. Insecurity is all other forms of self-identification.

Awakening is about finding out things for yourself, yet it also seems to be about community. Can you talk about how these two demands interrelate?

One can only relate to others in a truly healthy way when awake and thus realizing that they are (of the same essence as) oneself. See Г‚вЂ˜The Best of All WorldsÂ’ in Beyond The Separate Self...

How do you deal with temptation? What do they actually do, not just what they say is the way to act.

If yielding to the temptation in question does not harm oneself, or another, or lead to misidentification, then by all means yield, otherwise just watch it from pure awareness without following it or buying into it and it will just fade. Enjoy life to the full I say! For this I find that Г‚вЂ˜moderation in all thingsÂ’ is the key, as pleasures wane if over-indulged in and are at their best when tasted sparingly Â… in the same way the tastiest fruits tend to be the small ones. As far as rules, moral codes, commandments etc. are concerned - a pox on them all!! LetÂ’s just scrap them all and replace them with: Г‚вЂ˜do what you want as long as you do not hurt othersÂ’. If you wish to hurt yourself thatÂ’s your business, but for awakening it would be more advisable to stick to the first statement.

How do you deal with money?

My wife and I live a very simple life as artisans (potters in our case) earn very little. So I am naturally very careful with our money which we use as a tool to negotiate everyday living and also to help us enjoy life. I am sanguine about the ebb and flow of it and, where appropriate, I share it with others.

How much of a joke is life?

For those who are awake it is just the play of the divine (universal consciousness) and thus can be seen to be a joke. However, for those who are not and suffer due to misidentification, exploitation, poverty and ill health it cannot be described as such.

~ ~ ~

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Read excerpts here:


Group: NDhighlights Message: 4907 From: Gloria Lee Date: 2013-05-03
Subject: #4907 - Thursday, May 2, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

#4907 - Thursday,В May 2, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

Standing Deer

As the house of a person
in age sometimes grows cluttered
with what is
too loved or too heavy to part with,
the heart may grow cluttered.
And still the house will be emptied,
and still the heart.

As the thoughts of a person
in age sometimes grow sparer,
like a great cleanness come into a room,
the soul may grow sparer;
one sparrow song carves it completely.
And still the room is full,
and still the heart.

Empty and filled,
like the curling half-light of morning,
in which everything is still possible and so why not.

Filled and empty,
like the curling half-light of evening,
in which everything now is finished and so why not.

Beloved, what can be, what was,
will be taken from us.
I have disappointed.
I am sorry. I knew no better.

A root seeks water.
Tenderness only breaks open the earth.
This morning, out the window,
the deer stood like a blessing, then vanished.

~В Jane Hirshfield ~
(The Lives of the Heart)


Five A.M. in the Pinewoods
I'd seen
their hoofprints in the deep
needles and knew
they ended the long night
under the pines, walking
like two mute
and beautiful women toward
the deeper woods, so I
got up in the dark and
went there. They came
slowly down the hill
and looked at me sitting under
the blue trees, shyly
they stepped
closer and stared
from under their thick lashes and even
nibbled some damp
tassels of weeds. This
is not a poem about a dream,
though it could be.
This is a poem about the world
that is ours, or could be.
one of them — I swear it! —
would have come to my arms.
But the other
stamped sharp hoof in the
pine needles like
the tap of sanity,
and they went off together through
the trees. When I woke
I was alone,
I was thinking:
so this is how you swim inward,
so this is how you flow outward,
so this is how you pray.

~ Mary Oliver ~
(House of Light)В 

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4908 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-03
Subject: #4908 - Friday, May 3, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4908 - Friday,В May 3, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

The nonduality scene mainly has two sides. One side is about taking a standВ as awareness. Another side isВ about taking a stand as awareness of yourself as awareness. This issue is about Authentic Movement,В  a form of dance or body movement that is "an invitation to move toward the Self," to be aware of yourself as awareness. It's one step short taking your stand as awareness since there is still a witness, a someone taking a stand. And that's fine. I think nonduality overlooks this type of a stand with regard to awareness. It's not valued much.
Here's an interesting YouTube video that gives you a look into what Authentic Movement is and following that is an article describing Authentic Movement.

About Authentic Movement
What is Authentic Movement?
Authentic Movement is a simple form of self-directed movement. It is usually done with eyes closed and attention directed inward, in the presence of at least one witness. Movers explore spontaneous gestures, movements, and stillness, following inner impulses in the present moment. The witness watches and tracks inner responses to the mover with the intention of not judging, but focusing on self-awareness.
Authentic Movement cultivates a contemplative frame of mind, clarity of perception, and movement that is personally enhancing. The particular relationship between mover and witness, in moving and being seen by another, creates a powerful framework within which this work takes place. Authentic Movement is practiced individually or in a group with an experienced teacher/witness. When more experienced movers are taught to become witnesses themselves, they may continue working with this method in peer groups and dyads.
Authentic Movement's original practitioners integrated Jung's concept of active imagination with modern dance movement improvisation. Students of pioneers such as Mary Whitehouse, Joan Chodorow, and Janet Adler have developed the form in various ways including:
--as a meditative, spiritual practice that integrates body and mind for increased access to consciousness.
as part of psychotherapy process, for enhanced sense of self and and well-being; often bringing unconscious thoughts to awareness.
--as artistic support, to connect with creativity and creative process, unblocking and opening to new ideas.
--as community outreach and development in community long circles, that address and solve community-wide problems.
Often the experience of Authentic Movement feels like meaningful play and is full of fun. At other times movers and witnesses experience intense feelings and helpful insights into the wisdom of their own bodies.
Authentic Movement can be a discipline unto itself and can be used as a part of many different practices and teachings. Teachers develop the form in their own ways. Practices such as Movement Meditation, Contemplative Dance, Creative Movement Method, or Somatic Psychology use Authentic Movement as part of their training.
Authentic Movement has grown and evolved over many years. It is an open and unfolding form. Currently there are many experienced practitioners and teachers of Authentic Movement. We value the variety and diversity of Authentic Movement expressions throughout the world.
This is also a good article:
Group: NDhighlights Message: 4909 From: Dustin LindenSmith Date: 2013-05-04
Subject: #4909 - Saturday, May 4, 2013 - Editor: Dustin LindenSmith
#4909 - Saturday, May 4, 2013 - Editor: Dustin LindenSmith

Good morning! 

Today's highlights come from an issue Gloria Lee edited nearly 2,200 days ago in early 2007. It speaks to me a lot today because of a relatively recent-onset awakening that has been settling in quite deeply with me. 

For awhile, several years ago, I held this thought that I was enlightened because I understood the concept so well intellectually and had also accepted the notion that I needn't have felt any specific satori experience to confirm it. But lately, a more comprehensive sense of "letting go" has been settling in with me, and several excerpts from today's highlights are now resonating with me in fresh, new ways.

The final quote about the monk in the monastery also calls to mind an insight that Jerry once shared with me that has never left my memory. It's a story he tells about his own life when he realized sometime in the late 70s, I think it was, that there was only one day. No matter what the calendar told him, he realized that every single day was essentially the same. Had he returned to his monastery after that, he might have felt the same way that the monk described below did, too. :)


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Subject: [NDhighlights] #2721 - Monday, February 5, 2007 - Editor: Gloria Lee
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#2721 - Monday, February 5, 2007 - Editor: Gloria Lee
Nondual Highlights

There is really nothing you must be and there is nothing
you must do. There is really nothing you must have and
there is nothing you must know. There is really nothing
you must become. However, it helps to understand that
fire burns, and when it rains, the earth gets wet.
--Zen saying


Most people think of enlightenment as a kind of magical
attainment, a state of being close to perfection. At this
level, one can perform amazing feats, see past and future
lives of others, and tune in to the inner workings of the
universe. This may be possible for a number of special
beings, but for most of us enlightenment is much more in
line with what Suzuki Roshi describes. It means having a
quality of "beginningness," a fresh, simple, unsophisticated
view of things. To have "beginner's mind" in how we
approach things is a major teaching. In many ways, the
process of enlightenment is clearing away the thoughts,
beliefs, and ideas that cloud our ability to see things as
they really are in their pristine form.
--David A. Cooper, Silence, Simplicity and Solitude

After you wake up you probably open the curtains and look
outside. You may even like to open the window and feel
the cool morning air with the dew still on the grass. But is
what you see really "outside"? In fact, it is your own mind.
As the sun sends its rays through the window, you are not
just yourself. You are also the beautiful view from your
window. You are the Dharmakaya.
Dharmakaya literally means the body (kaya) of the
Buddha's teachings (Dharma), the way of understanding
and love. Before passing away, the Buddha told his
disciples, "Only my physical body will pass away. My Dharma
body will remain with you forever." In Mahayana Buddhism,
the word has come to mean "the essence of all that
exists." All phenomena--the song of a bird, the warm rays
of the sun, a cup of hot tea--are manifestations of the
Dharmakaya. We, too, are of the same nature as these
wonders of the universe.
--Thich Nhat Hanh, Present Moment, Wonderful Moment

As great as the infinite space beyond is the space within
the lotus of the heart. Both heaven and earth are
contained in that inner space, both fire and air, sun and
moon, lightning and stars. Whether we know it in this world
or know it not, everything is contained in that inner space.
--Chandogya Upanishad From The Upanishads,
translated by Eknath Easwaran

"The emergence and blossoming of understanding, love and
intelligence has nothing to do with any tradition, no matter
how ancient or impressive - it has nothing to do with time.
It happens completely on its own when a human being
questions, wonders, listens and looks without getting stuck
in fear, pleasure and pain. When self concern is quiet, in
abeyance, heaven and earth are open. The mystery, the
essence of all life is not separate from the silent openness
of simple listening."
--Toni Packer
From her website: 
posted to Daily Dharma

A monk was walking in the monastery grounds one day
when he heard a bird sing.
He listened, spellbound. It seemed to him that never
before had he heard, really heard, the song of a bird.
When the singing stopped he returned to the monastery
and discovered, to his dismay, that he was a stranger to his
fellow monks, and they to him.
It was only gradually that they and he discovered that he
was returning after centuries. Because his listening was
total, time had stopped and he had slipped into eternity.


A Spiritual Journey

By Wendell Berry
(1934 - )

And the world cannot be discovered by a journey of miles,
no matter how long,
but only by a spiritual journey,
a journey of one inch,
very arduous and humbling and joyful,
by which we arrive at the ground at our feet,
and learn to be at home.


Poetry Chaikhana Home

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4910 From: Mark Date: 2013-05-05
Subject: Issue #4910 - Sunday, May 5, 2013
Archived issues of the NDHighlights are available online:

Nonduality Highlights Issue #4910, Sunday, May 5, 2013

Even when luck is with you and you're powerful,
still, Prosperity is other than you are:
one day it departs and leaves you poor.
O you who've been chosen, be your own good fortune!
When you have become your own wealth, O man of Reality,
then how will you, who are Prosperity, lose yourself?
How will you lose yourself, O man of good qualities,
when your essence is your wealth and your kingdom?

- Rumi, Mathnawi IV: 1109-1112, version by Camille and Kabir Helminski from Rumi: Jewels of Remembrance, posted to Sunlight

All the joy the world contains
Has come through wishing happiness for others.
All the misery the world contains
Has come through wanting pleasure for oneself.

~Shantideva from The Heart of Compassion, posted to DailyDharma

Love With No Object

There is a way of loving not attached to what is loved.
Observe how water is with

the ground, always moving toward the ocean, though the ground
tries to hold water's foot

and not let it go. This is how we are with wine and beautiful
food, wealth and power,

or just a dry piece of bread: we want and we get drunk with
wanting, then the headache

and bitterness afterward. Those prove that the attachment took
hold and held you back. Now you

proudly refuse help. "My love is pure. I have an intuitive
union with God. I don't need

anyone to show me how to be free!" This is not the case.
A love with no object

is a true love. All else, shadow without substance. Have you
seen someone fall in

love with his own shadow? That's what we've done. Leave
partial loves and find one

that's whole. Where is someone who can do that? They're
so rare, those hearts that carry

the blessing and lavish it over everything. Hold out your
beggar's robe and accept

their generosity. Anything not coming from that will damage
the cloth, like a sharp stone

tearing your sincerity. Keep that intact, and use clarity;
call it reason or discernment,

you have within you a deciding force that knows what to
receive, what to turn from.

- Rumi, Mathnawi III: 2248-80 version by Coleman Barks from The Soul of Rumi, posted to Sunlight

Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside;
it is deep within you.
You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you.

It is not dependent on some other body, some external form.
In the stillness of your presence,
you can feel your own formless and timeless reality
as the unmanifested life that animates your physical form.
You can then feel the same life
deep within every other human and every other creature.

You look beyond the veil of form and separation.
This is the realization of oneness.
This is love.

~Eckhart Tolle, posted to The_Now2

The whole thing is to love God and taste His sweetness.
He is sweetness and the devotee is its enjoyer. The
devotee drinks the sweet Bliss of God. Further, God is the
lotus and the devotee the bee. The devotee sips the honey
of the lotus.

As a devotee cannot live without God, so also God cannot
live without His devotee. Then the devotee becomes the
sweetness, and God its enjoyer. The devotee becomes
the lotus, and God the bee. It is the Godhead that has
become these two in order to enjoy Its own Bliss.

- Ramakrishna Paramahamsa from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna by M. (Mahendranath Gupta)


The spirit
likes to dress up like this:
ten fingers,
ten toes,

shoulders, and all the rest
at night
in the black branches,
in the morning

in the blue branches
of the world.
It could float, of course,
but would rather

plumb rough matter.
Airy and shapeless thing,
it needs
the metaphor of the body,

lime and appetite,
the oceanic fluids;
it needs the body's world,

and imagination
and the dark hug of time,
and tangibility,

to be understood,
to be more than pure light
that burns
where no one is —

so it enters us —
in the morning
shines from brute comfort
like a stitch of lightning;

and at night
lights up the deep and wondrous
drownings of the body
like a star.

- Mary Oliver, from Dream Work

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4911 From: Gloria Lee Date: 2013-05-07
Subject: #4911 - Monday, May 6, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

#4911 - Monday,В May 6, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee
To divide and particularize is in the mind's
very nature.В  There is no harm in dividing.
But separation goes against fact.В  Things
and people are different, but they are not
separate.В  Nature is one, reality is one.В 
There are opposites, but no opposition.
В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В 
~ Nisargadatta Maharaj
Do you think I know what I'm doing?
That for one breath or half-breath
I belong to myself?
As much as a pen knows what it's writing
or the ball can guess where it's going next.
В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В В 
~ Rumi

via Along The Way


"In the finale of natural perfection,
All phenomena fall into their natural state,
And ordinary consciousness and reality coinciding,
We reach the carefree detachment of timeless release.
The gnostic dynamic supersedes reason,
All specifics dissolve into their own pure nature,
The polarity of emptiness and substance is resolved,
Movement consummated in thoughtlessness,
And, with no-mind, the intellect is superseded."
From the book: “Old Man Basking in the Sun,” published by Vajra Publications
vai Daily Dharma


In the 70s, Ram Dass was giving a talk about his experiences in India. An elderly
lady in the first row kept nodding and smiling in assent, the wooden cherries on her
hat bobbing up and down. His interest was pricked. How did she know about the
deep, esoteric things heÂ’d spent years studying? At the end of the lecture, she went
up to him and remarked, “I enjoyed your talk.” “How do you know so much about
meditation?” he asked. “Oh,” she confided, “I crochet.”
via Inner Directions on Facebook

To know the world with open-hearted tenderness insures that one will indeed be
broken hearted but also that one will know joy – both the joy of this world and an
unborn joy beyond the touch of decay or corruption. In this joy one discovers a
love of life, a love in life, a love that pervades life. This Love of Life knows that
there must be great trees, there must be fields and wild areas unspoiled by the
touch of civilizations mechanics. This Love of Life knows there must be relationship
unspoiled by the wounds of memory. And, knowing this, it polishes the bright virtue
of mind, moment after moment and enacts it in the world to perserve what is of
true value. This Love of Life grows deep roots into the soil and its branches weave
tangling patterns across the sky of living. - t.k.
Group: NDhighlights Message: 4912 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-07
Subject: #4912 - Tuesday, May 7, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4912 - Tuesday,В May 7, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Interview with Gonzalo Fernandez (conducted by Jerry Katz)
Watch/listen on YouTube:
Download/listen link:
Descriptive listing of tracks:
Gonzalo Fernandez is a native of Costa Rica, "the happiest country in the world." Gonzalo organizes meetings in his country featuring nondual teachers/sharers from around the world. He spoke from the community of Moravia, a suburb of the capitol San Jose. Meet Gonzalo on Facebook:
0:00 - 10:24 Beginning of Gonzalo's search. Milestones including discovery of J. Krishnamurti, Nisargadatta, and Ramesh Balsekar. Went to India to visit Ramesh. His realization is demonstrated to Ramesh. Roshi Phillip Kapleau mentioned. Teaching of J. Krishnamurti as too intellectual.
10:24 - 15:19 Life after meeting Ramesh. Costa Rica and nondual teachings. Spiritual practices are popular. A few years ago met people who like him were interested in Nisargadatta. Formed small groups after coming out of zazen group.
15:19 - 23:40 Eckhart Tolle comes to Costa Rica but locals were not allowed to hear him. It was too expensive for locals and the locals weren't invited. Spirituality as a business.
23:40 - 30:41 Gonzalo's involvement in starting groups. Eckhart Tolle group. Toni Packer's work discussed. Sandra Gonzalez invited to Costa Rica to lead silent retreats.
30:41 - 41:26 Unmani invited to Costa Rica twice. We digress and talk about Costa Rica as a retirement destination, especially the option of living a simple life. We talk about Unmani again. Gonzalo talks about his role in bringing teachers to Costa Rica and the roles others play.
41:26 - 47:13 Elena Nezhinsky discussed. Nature of Elena's teaching style, her visit to Costa Rica and the time spent with her.
47:13 - 49:04 The nature and humor of seeking when the answer is always right here. There are no seekers, yet seeking happens.
49:04 - 53:55 Noumenon and phenomenon discussed. "Seeking happens, but there are no seekers." Seeing all this as consciousness dreaming and we are a dream character. I ask Gonzalo whether he has spoken as a teacher to locals and talks about that.
53:55 - 58:02 We talk about locals in Costa Rica forming their own groups without inviting teachers from the outside around the world. Is it necessary to invite outside teachers? "Are prophets not prophets in their home town?" Extreme case of Ramana Maharshi as a local teacher. You can find enlightened peope everywhere.
58:02 - 1:03:24 Encouraging a locally grown group in Costa Rica. Nature of such local groups in which Gonzalo has been involved, as confrontational and requiring the presence of someone who they see as holding spiritual authority. We talk about what it takes to form and operate an open-minded group that supports and nurtures all who are drawn to it.
1:03:24 - 1:08:27 Inviting Hashim Zaki (aka iamyou on the internet), a student of Nisargadatta Maharaj, to Costa Rica, where he is going to speak for a few days and may decide to retire.
1:08:27 - 1:11:18 Running open meetings with locals without focusing on a single teacher.
1:11:18 - 1:16:04 Light-hearted talk on the beautiful women Gonzalo invites to Costa Rica. The beaches. Nosara Beach discussed for it's spiritual activities and women. Pamela Wilson and Jac O'Keefe mentioned.
1:16:04 - 1:25:06 Everytime Gonzalo wants to stop getting involved in inviting people, but someone comes across for him to invite. Francis Bennett mentioned and planning to come to Costa Rica. Nature of Jerry's visit to Costa Rica discussed and marking the next step in group meetings in Costa Rica. Jean Klein mentioned as a teacher of Gonzalo. Gonzalo will let Hashim Zaki know about the local group, which Hashim might become part of if he moves there.
1:25:06 - 1:42:55 Things get personal here and I feel we're hearing the natural Gonzalo these next few minutes aside from his work in nondual teachings. Gonzalo's daily life in Costa Rica. His interest in farming. He prefers to walk and sit in nature. Gonzalo's family. His minimal needs. His conversations with the farmers at a local bar. What he drinks. "Peace is the most essential thing." Just being who you are. Friendship in its most basic sense as a sharing of being. Being social as natural. Accepting all interaction including the belief that there's a seperate entity, thus welcoming the dissolving of the separateness. The oneness that we are. Life is nothing complicated, belief makes it complicated.
1:42:55 - 1:50:48 We express mutual gratitude and talk about the nature of doing what interests you compared to doing work in order to make money. People avoiding others who are too peaceful; they need you to be against something so they can fight with you. However, it's nice to talk to people about things other than ultimate reality itself. We talk about some details of farming coffee. We talk about coffee and how Gonzalo makes his coffee.
Group: NDhighlights Message: 4913 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-09
Subject: #4913 - Wednesday, May 8, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4913 - Wednesday,В May 8, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Facebook friend Dua'a Xaman sent me some books written by Sri Bagavath and I'm including an excerpt of one of them. Lately I've been talking about "following the I Am" as an alternative to the extreme nondual offerings/sharings/teachings we mostly see today, most classically from Tony Parsons. What is attributed to Nisargadatta in the passage below appears to support my view. However, reference is made to "great devotion to ... I consciousness as if it were the absolute Reality." This "great devotion" has to be distinguished from some kind of mental focusing on "I consciousness" or some kind of practice. "Great devotion" is one's life and breath itself, not a practice.
I think that Nisargadatta's great magnetism comes from his initiation into the following the I Am and his ability to speak as the energy of that initiation. Therefore the reader feels -- and sometimes receives -- that initiation. Perhaps more than anything,В Nisargadatta transmits the energy of initiation. And in the passage quoted, just talking about Nisargadatta also conveys that energy. That's how powerful Nisargadatta was and is.
Dua'a has sent me two other books by Sri Bagavath and I thank her very much. I'll be posting more from them. I have to read them yet! I'm also going to find out if there is an easier way to buy them other than the listing below.
~ ~ ~
Renounce God, Be God
Sri Bagavath
About the Author
It is not easy to write about Enlightened
masters like Sri Bagavath, because, the spiritual
field itself is a mysterious one.
But fortunately, I have got a special privilege
to be one in the inner circle of his friends
for the past thirty years. We were travelling on
the same road to Enlightenment. So, I know
somthing about him.
Though he was born in the family of
spiritual aptitude, he started spiritual seeking at
his age of 18. While he settled in the profession
of law, he was attracted by the teachings of
Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharishi,
Gandhiji, J.Krishnamurti, Osho and Nisarga Datta
He attended several mettings of J.K. and
he used to stay at Ramanashram once a year along
with spiritual friends, including myself.
He had intimate connection with a living
saint, Raju Swamy, known as Theni Swamy.
Though Sri Bagavath had attained several
spiritual experiences through yoga and
meditations, he felt it inadequate and he was in continuous
search for Enlightenment and Liberation for the past 40
One fine evening at his age of 58, he suddenly got
his Enlightenment and Liberation. To his surprise, it
happened within split of a second. He clearly understood
the Truth. All his endeavour of forty years ended. He did not
rejoice at the enlightenment with shouting and dancing.
But, rather, he wondered, how simple is the nature of
Enlightenment. He really feels and says that one can get Enlightenment
within a short period of time, without any difficult
meditations and yogic practices and that simple
understanding of the function of our mind is enough.
Presently, many sincere seekers are getting Enlightenment
through this master. He is very simple and he does
not hesitate to guide them, who approached him with real
V.S. Aranganathan M.A., M.Ed.,
Sri Sai Nivas,
Chapter 14
Nisargadatta Maharaj
We have to get the peace of mind. We have to get an
orderly mind. We have to get a psychological perfection.
We have to get an order, in the experiences of our mind.
To attain any one these things, neither the Athma
Satchathkar nor the Athmadarshan, nor the state of
koodastha nor the witnessing consciousness nor the base
consciousness, in whatever name it may be addressed, will
be helpful.
We cannot attain any thing through the cause of this
base consciousness.
But most of the saints and elderly people say, as if,
the Base consciousness is responsible for the real
So, most of the spiritual aspirants try to meditate upon
the quality of Atman.
“Aham Brahmasmi ”
“I am Brahm itself .”
“Athman is my Real nature”
“I am a pure witness, in my reality. ”
“I am nothing but the koodastha”
—— they maintain this sankalpa — determination,
on the assurance, given by the scriptures and the ancient
Is it wrong ?
We cannot say it is totally wrong. Because all our
sincere efforts will bring forth some benefits or the other.
But, through this sankalpa - detemination,
Realisation alone is not possible . Enlightenment alone
is not possible . Liberation alone is not possible .
Because, the thing which is doing this sankalpa or
determination is not the Athma.
Such sankalpa is nothing but our thought . It is nothing
but a mental process. It is only an imagination of our mind.
Thereby the dual nature of our mind — the duality of
observer and the observed, alone, is confirmed.
But if we clarify it with those aspirants about it, they
will simply say,
“ No, no. I am not doing any Sankalpa that I am the
Koodastha — that I am the witnessing state. This is only
my understanding that I am nothing but the Koodastha
— the witnessing state.”
But such understanding does not happen to the
Koodastha — the witness. Because, there is no necessity
for the state to understand or think like that.
The mind, having all the turmoil, alone imagine itself
like that with the help of the scriptures.
But thereby their mental construction and faculties
alone are confirmed.
Nobody will attain liberation, since because they think
or imagine that they are the Koodastha or the witness.
Thereby, the function of their mind alone becomes
strong . Their waking state alone is confirmed.
In the early chapters, we have said that there is an
exception and that we would discuss it later.
What is that?
As an exception, there are saints who attain liberation
on this way also.
It is said that everybody can be successful in this way.
They all say that this is the main way . But unfortunately,
all meet failure , if they select this way. If anyone gets
success, it is nothing but an exception alone.
But how this exceptional thing had happened?
You might have heard about the saint Nisargadatta
Maharaj of Maharashtra.
His master preached him : “you are not an ordinary
person. You are the Reality beyond gods and goddesses.
It is you who are sought by everybody. You are the absolute
Reality itself.”
Nisargadatta believed in the words of his master. He
described like this:
“I have not examined the meaning of the sayings what
my master told me. I have believed him. He can not tell me a
lie. What he has said must be an absolute truth Â…
“Soon after his preaching my master also has
disappeared from the world. But his words were repeatedly
ringing upon my ears. His words are always with me Â…
“Three years later I have got the Realization that I
am the absolute Reality. On a particular day I have clearly
understood that I am the absolute Reality.”
In this way he explained how he had attained
enlightenment and liberation.
When he talked to a seeker, he told him : “We have to
understand that all the worldly experiences are unreal.
We have to realize the self that I am the pure Atman and I
am the absolute Reality.”
At that time, the seeker asked him a clarification.
“Did you feel that the worldly things were unreal
only after your Self Realization?
Or after finding out the unreality of the worldly
things alone, did you come to the Self Realization? Which
comes first? Which comes later?”
Nisargadatta thought a while and said conclusively.
“Self Realization comes first and then only I feel
the illusory nature of the worldly experiences. Self
Realization comes first and the understanding of the world
as unreal comes next.”
He said like that.
He himself attained it on that way. So he had to say
like that. He never examined about the unreal nature of the
world and thereby he had not come to that state.
When all have met failure in this way saying “I am
the absolute Reality; I am the Pure Atman; I am the
Brahm,” how did he get success, as an exceptional case?
His devotion to his faith alone brings him success.
He has given great devotion to his I consciousness as
if it were the absolute Reality. Thereby the experiencer gets
importance rather than the experiences.
When the I consciousness – the experiencer alone has
got importance, all the experiences have lost their
importance. The observer is always related to the
observed. When the experiences lose importance, the
experiencer also loses importance.
~ ~ ~
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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4914 From: Dustin LindenSmith Date: 2013-05-10
Subject: #4914 - Thu/Fri May 9/10, 2013 - Editor: Dustin LindenSmith
#4914 - Thu/Fri May 9/10, 2013 - Editor: Dustin LindenSmith

Before introducing today's Highlights of the Highlights, I came across something yesterday I thought you might enjoy or find funny.

Karl Pilkington, the onion, and free will

Early-adopter fans of the British comic actor and writer Ricky Gervais may remember his bald friend, Karl Pilkington. Karl is the running butt of a thousand jokes about his own apparent simplemindedness and stupidity; I believe he might have even recently landed a reality show of sorts. 

Listeners to the first incarnation of The Ricky Gervais Podcast in the mid-2000s might remember listening to Ricky and his writing partner Stephen Merchant teasing Karl mercilessly about his occasionally strange-sounding but always simple and sometimes profound observations about life.

I recently came across a series of animated clips that sound as though their soundtrack was plucked from that original podcast. In this 3-minute clip, Karl Pilkington investigates how the independent arising of thoughts (as he writes his shopping list) creates the illusion that we have free will. He asks, sensibly I think, "Does the brain control you, or do you control the brain?"


Today's "Highlights of the Highlights" comes from an issue by Gloria in April, 2007 that tells the story of Joshua Bell, a professional violinist who conducted a small sort of social science experiment while busking outside a train station in the US.

Several recent experiences and insights that have come to me about my three own young children (aged 5, 6 and 11) came crashing home to me after reading this simple sentence:

Every single time a child walked past, he or she tried to stop and watch. And every single time, a parent scooted the kid away.

I'm always trying to improve the way I interact with my kids. I also try not to rush and hurry them along all the time, and try not to cram their lives so full with activities and lessons that they don't have enough time to relax.

I'd like to think that if I, who am a musician myself, walked with my kids by Joshua Bell playing his violin on the street, that I wouldn't try to hurry them along and prevent them from listening to the music. But who knows -- maybe if we were running late for their piano lesson I would perceive myself to be in too much of a hurry to stop...


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#2784 - Wednesday, April 11, 2007 - Editor: Gloria Lee
Nondual Highlights

Pearls Before Breakfast

Joshua Bell is one of the world's greatest violinists. His instrument of choice is a multimillion-dollar Stradivarius. If he played it for spare change, incognito, outside a bustling Metro stop in Washington, would anyone notice?
  Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, April 8, 2007; Page W10
Excerpts and spoiler alert: The whole story may be read from the Pearls link, and makes more sense there than the few parts highlighted here. Also, there is an audio link to his entire 43 minute concert, still good even with the background noise. You might listen while you read it, that is, if you can spare the time. You can also see short videos of the people going by interspersed within the article.
What if he's really good? Do you have time for beauty? Shouldn't you? What's the moral mathematics of the moment?

On that Friday in January, those private questions would be answered in an unusually public way. No one knew it, but the fiddler standing against a bare wall outside the Metro in an indoor arcade at the top of the escalators was one of the finest classical musicians in the world, playing some of the most elegant music ever written on one of the most valuable violins ever made. His performance was arranged by The Washington Post as an experiment in context, perception and priorities -- as well as an unblinking assessment of public taste: In a banal setting at an inconvenient time, would beauty transcend?

[..] It was not until six minutes into the performance that someone actually stood against a wall, and listened.

Things never got much better. In the three-quarters of an hour that Joshua Bell played, seven people stopped what they were doing to hang around and take in the performance, at least for a minute. Twenty-seven gave money, most of them on the run -- for a total of $32 and change. That leaves the 1,070 people who hurried by, oblivious, many only three feet away, few even turning to look. [...]

Even at this accelerated pace, though, the fiddler's movements remain fluid and graceful; he seems so apart from his audience -- unseen, unheard, otherworldly -- that you find yourself thinking that he's not really there. A ghost.

Only then do you see it: He is the one who is real. They are the ghosts.


It's an old epistemological debate, older, actually, than the koan about the tree in the forest. Plato weighed in on it, and philosophers for two millennia afterward: What is beauty? Is it a measurable fact (Gottfried Leibniz), or merely an opinion (David Hume), or is it a little of each, colored by the immediate state of mind of the observer (Immanuel Kant)? [..]

A couple of minutes into it, something revealing happens. A woman and her preschooler emerge from the escalator. The woman is walking briskly and, therefore, so is the child. She's got his hand.

"I had a time crunch," recalls Sheron Parker, an IT director for a federal agency. "I had an 8:30 training class, and first I had to rush Evvie off to his teacher, then rush back to work, then to the training facility in the basement."

Evvie is her son, Evan. Evan is 3.

You can see Evan clearly on the video. He's the cute black kid in the parka who keeps twisting around to look at Joshua Bell, as he is being propelled toward the door.

"There was a musician," Parker says, "and my son was intrigued. He wanted to pull over and listen, but I was rushed for time."

So Parker does what she has to do. She deftly moves her body between Evan's and Bell's, cutting off her son's line of sight. As they exit the arcade, Evan can still be seen craning to look. When Parker is told what she walked out on, she laughs.

"Evan is very smart!"

The poet Billy Collins once laughingly observed that all babies are born with a knowledge of poetry, because the lub-dub of the mother's heart is in iambic meter. Then, Collins said, life slowly starts to choke the poetry out of us. It may be true with music, too.

There was no ethnic or demographic pattern to distinguish the people who stayed to watch Bell, or the ones who gave money, from that vast majority who hurried on past, unheeding. Whites, blacks and Asians, young and old, men and women, were represented in all three groups. But the behavior of one demographic remained absolutely consistent. Every single time a child walked past, he or she tried to stop and watch. And every single time, a parent scooted the kid away. [...]


Souza nods sourly toward a spot near the top of the escalator: "Couple of years ago, a homeless guy died right there. He just lay down there and died. The police came, an ambulance came, and no one even stopped to see or slowed down to look.

"People walk up the escalator, they look straight ahead. Mind your own business, eyes forward. Everyone is stressed. Do you know what I mean?"

What is this life if, full of care,

We have no time to stand and stare.

-- from "Leisure," by W.H. Davies

Let's say Kant is right. Let's accept that we can't look at what happened on January 12 and make any judgment whatever about people's sophistication or their ability to appreciate beauty. But what about their ability to appreciate life?

We're busy. Americans have been busy, as a people, since at least 1831, when a young French sociologist named Alexis de Tocqueville visited the States and found himself impressed, bemused and slightly dismayed at the degree to which people were driven, to the exclusion of everything else, by hard work and the accumulation of wealth.

Not much has changed. Pop in a DVD of "Koyaanisqatsi," the wordless, darkly brilliant, avant-garde 1982 film about the frenetic speed of modern life. Backed by the minimalist music of Philip Glass, director Godfrey Reggio takes film clips of Americans going about their daily business, but speeds them up until they resemble assembly-line machines, robots marching lockstep to nowhere. Now look at the video from L'Enfant Plaza, in fast-forward. The Philip Glass soundtrack fits it perfectly.

"Koyaanisqatsi" is a Hopi word. It means "life out of balance."

In his 2003 book, Timeless Beauty: In the Arts and Everyday Life, British author John Lane writes about the loss of the appreciation for beauty in the modern world. The experiment at L'Enfant Plaza may be symptomatic of that, he said -- not because people didn't have the capacity to understand beauty, but because it was irrelevant to them.

"This is about having the wrong priorities," Lane said.

If we can't take the time out of our lives to stay a moment and listen to one of the best musicians on Earth play some of the best music ever written; if the surge of modern life so overpowers us that we are deaf and blind to something like that -- then what else are we missing?

The Most Important Dimension
of Human Existence
By Eckhart Tolle
An extract from Stillness Amidst the World
We're here to find that dimension
within ourselves
that is deeper than thought.
This teaching isn't based on knowledge, on new interesting facts, new information. The world is full of that already. You can push any button on the many devises you have and get information. You're drowning in information.
And ultimately, what is the point of it all? More information, more things, more of this, more of that. Are we going to find the fullness of life through more things and greater and bigger shopping malls
Are we going to find ourselves through improving our ability to think and analyze, and accumulate more information, more stuff? Is "more" going to save the world?? It's all form.
You can never make it on the level of form. You can never quite arrange and accumulate all the forms that you think you need so that you can be yourself fully.
Sometimes you can do it for a brief time span. You can suddenly find everything working in your life: Your health is good, your relationship is great, you have money, possessions, love and respect from other people.
But before long, something starts to crumble here or there, either the finances or the relationship, your health or your work or living situation. It is the nature of the world of form that nothing stays fixed for very long — and so it starts to fall apart again.
The voice in the head that never stops speaking
becomes a civilization that is obsessed with form,
and therefore knows nothing of the most important
dimension of human existence:
the sacred,
the stillness,
the formless,
the divine.
"What does it profit you if you gain the whole world and lose yourself?"
It has been said: There are two ways of being unhappy: not getting what you want, and getting what you want.
When people attain what the world tells us is desirable — wealth, recognition, property, achievement — they're still not happy, at least not for long. They're not at peace with themselves. They don't have a true sense of security, a sense of finally having arrived.
Their achievements have not provided them with what they were really looking for — themselves. They have not given them the sense of being rooted in life, or as Jesus calls it, the fullness of life.
The form of this moment is the portal into the formless dimension. It is the narrow gate that Jesus talks about that leads to life. Yes, it's very narrow: it's only this moment.
To find it, you need to roll up the scroll of your life on which your story is written, past and future. Before there were books, there were scrolls, and you rolled them up when you were done with them.
So put your story away.  It is not who you are. People usually live carrying a burden of past and future, a burden of their personal history, which they hope will fulfill itself in the future. It won't, so roll up that old scroll.   Be done with it.
You don't solve problems by thinking; you create problems by thinking. The solution always appears when you step out of thinking and become still and absolutely present, even if only for a moment. Then, a little later when thought comes back, you suddenly have a creative insight that wasn't there before.
Let go of excessive thinking and see how everything changes. Your relationships change because you don't demand that the other person should do something for you to enhance your sense of self. You don't compare yourself to others or try to be more than someone else to strengthen your sense of identity.
You allow everyone to be as they are. You don't need to change them; you don't need them to behave differently so that you can be happy.
There's nothing wrong with doing new things, pursuing activities, exploring new countries, meeting new people, acquiring knowledge and expertise, developing your physical or mental abilities, and creating whatever you're called upon to create in this world.
It is beautiful to create in this world, and there is always more that you can do.
Now the question is, Are you looking for yourself in what you do?  Are you attempting to add more to who you think you are? Are you compulsively striving toward the next moment and the next and the next, hoping to find some sense of completion and fulfillment?
The preciousness of Being is your true specialness. What the egoic self had been looking for on the level of the story
        —I want to be special —
obscured the fact that you could not be more special than you already are now. Not special because you are better or more wretched than someone else, but because you can sense a beauty, a preciousness, an aliveness deep within.
When you are present in this moment,
you break the continuity of your story, of past and future.
Then true intelligence arises,
and also love.
The only way love can come into your life
is not through form, but through that inner spaciousness that is Presence.
Love has no form.
Reprinted with permission from Eckhart Tolle's Findhorn Retreat: Stillness Amidst the World, © 2006 by Eckhart Tolle, Eckhart Teachings Inc. Published by New World Library
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Group: NDhighlights Message: 4915 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-11
Subject: #4915 - Friday, May 10, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4915 - Saturday,В May 11, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights
photo: Enza Vita
I recently interviewed Enza Vita, whose places on the web are
The first hour and sixteen minutes were interrupted by blasts of static that somehow snuck into the recording. So I wrote a transcript of that portion of the interview, which makes up this issue.
Next week I'll post theВ hour long audio portion of the interview that has no static.

Transcript of an interview with Enza Vita conducted by Jerry Katz on April 27, 2013:
[Enza is delightful and she laughs a lot. You'll have to listen to the audio interview, when it'sВ available next week,В to get a fuller sense of what she is like.]
Jerry: You're in Adelaide, the state of South Australia.В You're from Italy.
Enza: I was born in Sicily, you know, the Mafia country. Just a small village, a couple thousand people when I was born there. I came to Australia when I was 17. I came as a tourist by myself. I had only an Auntie in Alice Springs so I went to Alice Springs and I loved the country. I resonated with it and I decided to stay. My parents thought I'd gone mad.
Jerry: I want to hear about Sicily. You grew up in a small town. What was the town?
Enza: The town was called Solarino.В On some maps it's not even there, but you can find it. Now it has about 5000 people.
Jerry: It sounds like a wonderful, romantic, beautiful place.
Enza: It was a very small place and everybody knew each other. Just one school for everybody. I wanted to get out of there, in search of adventure maybe, something different, some freedom. Because life there, even though it was idyllic in some ways, my path was such that the best that could happen to me was to find a good man to look after me. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I wanted more. I wanted to travel, I wanted to see other cultures. We didn't even have a library.
Jerry: Was all your family there?
Enza: Yeah, grandparents, great grandparents, I've got four sisters, I'm the oldest.
Jerry: Tell me a funny romantic story about growing up there.
Enza: I remember making this idea that I really didn't belong here in this village. My parents were lovely, they loved me, I felt loved, but I felt out of place. I made this story in my head that I would tell people that someone had dropped me from a spaceship and that I wasn't really from this place.
Mainly the reason was that since I was very young I was having these weird experiences for such a village, where I liked to be by myself, I was very shy, but also I was having some experiences such that when I told my parents about them they couldn't support them, they thought I had some schizophrenia or something like that.
They took me to a psychologist. I would tell them I would see things. I would see lights around people. I got out of my body at night. Sometimes I would sneak out in the middle of the night. I would get this feeling that I wanted to get out under the sky. I was only 6 or 7 and there was a metal ladder that went up to the roof. My parents didn't know. Even in winter I would sneak up there and sit up there and stay there until the sun came up. My parents started seeing this behavior, especially in a little village everybody knows everybody and the word was, "Oh, this child's a little bit weird, maybe should take her somewhere." So we did a big trek, maybe 50 kilometres, to go see a psychologist. My sisters weren't having this sort of experience. I felt strange, I guess. I felt like I didn't quite fit in.
My second sister, we're only two years apart, I would tell her some of these stories and she would say, "Oh Enza don't tell me this stuff, I get scared." She couldn't sleep. I would tell sometimes it feels like I melt. And then I disappear. She didn't want to know about it. We're two years apart, we grew up together, we played together, and even with her I couldn't talk about it. At one point I decided I'm not going to talk about this to anybody. My parents just get worried. I found my mom crying because she thought there was something wrong with me. So I felt a bit isolated.
The only person I could talk to that I thought was a skillful thing -- because sometimes I would have some silver visions of what I thought were Jesus, because in Sicily everybody is born Catholic, is baptized. When I talked about some of my experiences with the Priest his answer was (unsatisfactory) and I was like, "There's something going on, I want to know what's going on, why am I having these thoughts?"
Jerry: When did all those experiences start?
Enza: As far back as I can remember. And then my sense of "Enza" was not very solid, it felt vague, like I couldn't quite grasp it. Sometimes when I was by myself even more so, it felt like it slowed like mercury. In later years I wanted to become normal like others and I tried very hard to be normal so that I could have friends, and I did have friends, close friends. But it was this other stuff I couldn't share. I did share a little with my closest friend and she seemed like she understood. She was supportive. She didn't tell me I was crazy. But she couldn't understand what was going on. She couldn't relate to it.
Jerry: Not everyone you talk to who's coming from the place of realization has had such childhood experiences and you had them intensely.
Enza: And there was absolutely nobody around that could even help me with them. There was nobody around that I could go to. And so I decided I had to find out. I guess leaving the town and going to a country where I didn't even know English, on the surface it looked like I wanted to visit another country, but in retrospect it was about trying to find the reason for having these experiences.
The first night I got into Alice Springs and I was walking down that road with one of my cousins andВ  through the window of a bookstore on the shelf there was a book. On this book there was a symbol. If you come to my house in Italy it's carved everywhere. When I was little I would draw everything. I would tell my parents, I would tell everybody, I would draw these two symbols but I didn't know what they were and people around me didn't know. One was a lotus flower and one was a geometric shape, like a mandala. If you go to my house in Italy they're carved on the roof, they're carved in the courtyard. Mom said, "Why are you carving this onto the wall?" I would say, "Mom I have to remember, this is like the future." Of course that added to the idea that I was very eccentric as a kid.
So when I got into Alice Springs the first thing I saw was this Yoga Patanjali book and it had on the cover the lotus flower, and I'd never seen it before, and I said to my cousin, "Oh my God, there it is." I bought the book, though I couldn't read it. It was the start of some confirmation that's where my journey started. I got this book home and I had an old dictionary I brought from home, English-Italian. I started looking up every word to make sense of what this book was about. I thought it was the Holy Grail I'd found. It was a book on Yoga. It gave me the sense I wanted to stay in Australia because obviously this was a find and trying to understand what the book was about I started to learn the English language. I could write English long before I could speak it.
Jerry: Before we leave Solarino, can you tell me anything about it that involves pasta and olive oil and family, marinara sauce, anything like that? Then we'll move on to Australia.
Enza: I eat really well there. My mom is a very good cook and we're going back at the end of the year. My son is getting married and he wants to go to Italy so we're going with him. Already I'm telling my mom what to cook. She's on the phone saying, "What do you want me to cook when you come?" She wants to cook all the favorite recipes I liked as a child.
Jerry: Did you have family dinners?
Enza: Yes, lots. I remember as a child that all the extended families, for Christmas or Easter, and in Sicily we have all the Saints that get celebrated, Saint Francisco, Saint Paulo, Saint this, Saint that. On those occasions the entire families, not just immediate family, but cousins and everyone, all come together. In my house there used to be five tables that went all the way from the door through the corridor and all the people would bring food and those are my memories when I was a child.
Jerry: What kind of food?
Enza: Fish. In Sicily it was a lot of vegetables, fish. Not so much meat because meat was expensive. Most people had a garden where they raised their own chickens so they would bring a chicken. And the women would be in the kitchen. Sometimes the men too. Usually the men would be roasting something.
Jerry: What kind of pasta?
Enza: In Sicily the pasta is more like the Napolitano pasta. It might have some eggplant in it or peas. It's more like a vegetarian spaghetti. There might be sweets. I remember for Easter ,y mom would be making all these ricotta little cakes, they were everywhere around the house. Food, family's all part of growing up. There would be 30, 40 people for lunch. And everybody would have their kids so the kids would be mucking around, running around.
Jerry: And you were probably thinking of going up on the roof.
Enza: I did. I did. It's not that I was totally anti-social but most of the time they knew. "Where's Enza?" "Oh, up on the roof somewhere, go and find her." "Come down, are you there?" Sometimes I wouldn't answer. Ask me more if you'd like.
Enza: I could stay right there in Solarino. The other day I interviewed Didier Weiss who lives in Auroville in southern India and he quoted Muriel Rukeyser, a poet, who said, "The universe is made up of stories, not of atoms." So here we are telling stories. Stories of your childhood, stories of your growing up. To what degree is all this nonduality stuff stories?
Enza: They're all stories. I don't make a difference between the transcendental view and the story of Enza. They're sort of one and the same.
Jerry: What's not a story?
Enza: First you discover the transcendental and then you realize everything is one substance. It's awareness when it changes forms and awareness when it's empty. It's all one big soup.
Jerry: Now we're getting into awareness, but in your story you're 17 and you've taken off to Australia.
Enza: My parents tried to stop me. I was young but I didn't feel young.
Jerry: Was going to Australia like climbing on the roof?
Enza: Yes it was. It was like the feeling I would get lying in my bed and I had to get out under the stars. It was the same feeling. "I have to get out of here." And Australia was an easy step because I had an Auntie in Alice Springs. I'm not sure why Australia, but in retrospect it was what was meant to happen. I also had relatives in America but Australia seemed to be the place.
Jerry: What are some of the milestones of the trip to Australia (besides the seeing of the lotus on the book)? You were young.
Enza: My parents were obviously very upset. But I had this calm. I was sad leaving them, but there was this calm: this is what I have to do. My Aunt asked me how I could be so calm, like I didn't care. It wasn't that I didn't care, it's just that this is what I needed to do. This is the right thing to do. I was still a minor and you have to be at least 18 to do something like that, and my dad said to me, "I'm not going to let you go. You can't leave the country without my permission." I said, "Dad, I'm going to go anyway. In six months I'm going to turn 18 and I'll go, so let me go now and give me your blessing. Don't try to stop me."
Now when I talk to my dad, he says, "I didn't see a 17 year old, I saw an adult, really strong, convinced that this was the way to go. I had to let you go." That was his experience. For me I didn't think about being 17, I didn't know English. It was like, "I have to go, time to go." I left. When I got to Alice Springs, I stayed for a few months with my auntie.
I couldn't ask my parents for money. They were in no position to support me here. My auntie was working cleaning in a hotel. I told her maybe I could find a job. "But you can't even speak the language," she said. I said I'll do anything. It happened a dishwashing position was available and you didn't need to know the language and I washed dishes and pots for a while. Then there was a pregnant lady there that used to make all the salads and I liked the artistic way she made the salads. I would rush to finish the pots so I could go help her and do rosettes and stuff. She took leave since she was having the baby and she recommended me for the position. It was funny because everything had to be written up in English. I couldn't quite speak it. I got the position. I was in Alice Springs for two years. Then I came to Adelaide.
Jerry: How were your consciousness experiences during that time?
Enza: Fine. For the inner life the library in Alice Springs became the hangout. I was there every spare minute that I had. When I wasn't working I'd be at the library. I'd be looking up books and trying to decipher them with my Italian English dictionary. Experiences were still going on even though they were not as prominent as when I was a child. But now I was a seeker. I needed to find a reason why all this was going on.
Jerry: As a seeker you're trying to make sense of these experiences. You don't have anyone to talk to but you realize there's something in books.
Enza: Yes, I realized that maybe there was an answer.
Jerry: What kinds of books were you reading?
Enza: All sorts. Anything to do with spirituality. I can't even remember now. In some books I found a resonance. Some books I didn't understand because I wasn't schooled in the material. Then when I came to Adelaide, that continued. I got involved in different groups, different meditation groups. Then I met Leo. I went to school. Another thing I loved when I was a kid was making herbal potions. This wasn't part of my family. I'd go into the country and in my mind I thought I knew what the herbs were about. And I'd make potions. I remember I made a potion for my auntie where she was losing hair on the top. I said to her, "I could make you something." I was about nine years old and I made this potion and bless her heart she used it just to make me happy. And after a while she started getting this black hair. She showed the doctor and the doctor said it's just because you're rubbing the lotion in. "Maybe she's a genius!" she said.
I remember my mom was getting a calendar from a French herbalist and he had some recipes on it. I started writing him letters and he responded. His name was Maurice MessГѓВ©guГѓВ©. I went to college here. I did three years in naturopathy. So there were those two interests in my life. One was the health thing, I thought I was going to become a naturopath. And the other interest was that in private I was still reading books and going to see meditation teachers that came to Adelaide and such things.
Jerry: You're very grounded in nature.
Enza: I love sitting in the backyard and just do nothing, just stare at the grass and the trees and the flowers. I find it really amazing.
Jerry: So you were reading and going to meditation groups.
Enza: If we speed up my life, I found that the books that I had the most resonance with, that had the most answers, one was a Nisargadatta book. For a few years that became my bible. That's all I read and re-read and read again. He was saying what I know. Others were some of the Ramana Maharshi books. Much later I got my hands on dzogchen books and they also resonated with me.
In a way it might sound conceited but I actually feel that all the experiences I had and all the books I read and all the teachers I met, because in my job with Leo we actually met a lot of teachers, Sufi teachers, Tibetan teachers. We interviewed them. We did some of their retreats together. It's almost like all this teaching stream from all the different teachers and all the different experiences, they're now flowing through me. It's almost like the lineage of this teaching, it's in me. And some of them are totally different. I've got this sense I'm guided. And really it's nothing to do with me. I really feel inside the energy of the connections with these teachers, some more than others, and some connections I don't even understand.
Right now I'm exploring a connection I've got with a Tibetan teacher, Chogyal Namkhai Norbu. I met him three years ago and I felt a real strong resonance. For the last five, six, seven years everytime I saw his picture it was like, "Come, come." And it was funny because we went there and we did a seven day retreat. We did an interview so he invited us to go there. We never met before.
He started telling this story about when he was in Tibet, he was nineteen years old. On one of his inner journeys he met this little girl that was travelling in a bubble. The minute I heard that it was, "Oh my God." And Leo was next to me, his face dropped. That's what I did when I was little. At night I would travel in some inner world I can't even explain, I travelled in what looked like a bubble, a glass bubble.
Norbu is an old man. I never met him before. And he's telling all the people about this little girl travelling in a bubble. Leo looked at me and said, "What's going on?" Because he knows all my stories that I've told him. Then Norbu says the little girl wore a velvet green dress with little daisies on the bottom. That was my dress. My auntie made it for me. It was my favorite dress. Leo couldn't believe it. Then I thought there's a connection with this old man, he's got an amazing presence, so I'm exploring that. I feel his energy through me. It's weird but that's what it feels like.
Jerry: Would you use the word channeling?
Enza: I don't believe in all that stuff. It's more like a resonance or an energy. The only thing I can think of is that there may be something in this body or this mind that resonates with something in that body. Ultimately it's all one thing. Why with some particular people you feel this resonance, this energy, I really don't know. That is my experience over and over again.
Jerry: You have loose boundaries to your personality.
Enza: Loose! That's the word.
Jerry: You're all over the place.
Enza: I'm everwhere. It's funny, when this experience happened back in 2007 I was meditating with a localВ group. Actually I'd been meditating and doing a retreat with this lady who came from a Zen background. We went there for five or six years, attended regularly. She was mainly teaching the breath meditation using your stomach, which is Zen style. I found that the more I tried that the more the sense of self became prominent, which was weird. I said to her that I respected her teaching but that I feel this is wrong for me. She asked me what I wanted to do. I said I had to do the opposite, instead of trying so hard I had to surrender into it. She warned me that I would lose myself in the mind. But I started surrendering, where you open up 360 degrees and slowly your boundaries disappear, and I told her that worked so well. She said to keep going that way but don't tell anyone because I don't want any of the others to do that because they will get lost in the mind.
So I had the realization or whatever happened there and I talked to her. My only words were, "I'm all over the place." Coming from a different tradition she asked, "What do you mean 'all over the place'?" It took me a few years before I could even talk about it in a way that other people would understand.
Jerry: Going back to the encounter with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu, what do you think of it now?
Enza: I don't know what to think. You can go into the idea of past lives, or parallel lives, I'm not sure how to explain it. I just know that there was my experience. I just know that when I was a child I would sit in a semi- lotus position. Nobody taught me that. My parents didn't even call it that. They'd say, "That's strange, she's always sitting like an Arab," because that's the closest they could associate it with. That's what was most comfortable. Why was I doing that? I have no idea. I didn't see it done. Nobody told me about it. I was just doing it. Does that mean it was from a past life in India? I definitely feel a resonance with India. I went to India and felt, yes, I have a resonance with this place. But it's a mystery.
A guy that saw me and described a dress I had, made specially for me, the bubble, the whole thing, it's like I don't know. It's a magical mystery.
Jerry: People meditate, they do yoga, and when you do it a lot there could be a reversal where you're being meditated. And it sounds like that happened to you. As a kid you were being meditated?
Enza: Definitely. It happens to you. It's not something you're doing to get this particular thing happening to you. It happens to you. You don't know why. I still don't know why.
Jerry: It's as though it descends upon you in some way. Like grace?
Enza: I'm not sure. You could call it grace. I haven't got a name for it. People ask, "Does it take time to get to here?" No it doesn't, but the paradox is that you need time until you know that you don't need it. It's about all these paradoxes. If you try to explain a paradox in some logical way it becomes a limited explanation.
Jerry: Doesn't sound like you're someone who would give a step by step instruction in your teachings.
Enza: It's more like an unfolding process. I had some things I tried that led me to a certain point. Now Leo is a conscious man, he's been meditating a lot longer than I have. I wasn't a very disciplined meditator. He was meditating every day, doing all the retreats. So when this realization happened he was like, "What!? Why you? Tell me what happened." He wanted me to help him. So he became a kind of guinea pig. How could I point to him, this. Out of this some very loose practice -- I wouldn't even call it a practice -- has come about. It is he who has encouraged me. This book I'm writing, it isn't written as a book. It's my personal journals, questions and answers from different blogs. When he saw them he said it was good stuff and that I should publish it. I've been putting it together. It's a progression. From one moment to the next I don't know what's going on.
Right now I don't teach. I don't have people I teach. I've had people asking me but I haven't done any teaching because part of me thinks, what am I going to teach them? What am I going to tell them? I haven't got a set teaching. I have a meditation teacher who's also a friend and she's been encouraging me for the last few years. She says it's good to teach. It's not that I'm against it. I could do it but it would be just as easy for me to sit in my backyard and do nothing. But there is something else and if I could find a way to help some people, I'm willing. Right now I don't have a proper idea how to do that. I'm waiting for stuff to become clearer.
Jerry: Come on, you're flying on bubbles. Why can't you just teach?
Enza: Life has nothing to do with light shooting out of your third eye. All that in a way is like spiritual entertainment. Even though I had those experiences I knew they had nothing to do with what I was looking for. I knew that everytime some big spiritual experience would happen -- and I had them during my meditation days -- it was like, no, no this is not it. And I knew from books I was reading that what I was looking for didn't have a beginning or an end. So all the spiritual experiences sound good but they don't lead to freedom.
Jerry: All I'm saying is that if you can do all these things on the psychical level, and go to Australia, and everything, well teaching only requires sitting in a chair in a room at a designated time. Five or six people come and you start talking. But you're saying you don't have a handle on it.
Enza: No it's not that. Even with Leo, unless he actually asks me something there is nothing I want to say or can say. It's like there's no one home. The letter box is empty. I can only speak of there is someone there who will ask me something. Otherwise there's nothing to say.
Jerry: I'm thinking of Darryl Bailey who lives in Winnipeg, Canada. It's not known as a spiritual city. But he got talking to his friend, a yoga teacher, and she realized he has something to say worth hearing. So she organized a speaking opportunity for him at her yoga studio. He's become quite well known.
Enza: If there is a need I will do it. There was an email the other day from Germany from a man who gets my newsletter and he invited me and said he could put together a group of 30-50 people. This is a beginning step. I'm not sure in what way it will unfold. I'm waiting. This is how I run my life. I haven't got a plan that I'm going to be a teacher, that I'm going to do this or that. Right now I'm talking to you and this is my first interview and this is what is happening.
It all really has to do with the other person. If Leo really wants to know a lot of stuff comes out. If there was no question, I would dry out, it's a dry well. The other person brings it out. I'm actually a private person but now this is going on.
My experience has been that if I'm meant to be teaching, something else will drop out of my life to give the space to do it. Do you know what the need to talk about this stuff is like? When I was breastfeeding my son, one day I was sitting in a coffee shop in town and I had Jonathan with me and he started crying. I was sitting with some people so I tried discretely to put him on my breast. The crying of my son started the milk to engorge the breast. I wasn't doing anything. It was just happening. Before I could put him on my breast, the milk shoots out about three meters onto the table next to me. I compare it to that. As a mother everytime Jonathan cried, even if I was in the other room, milk would start flowing. It was the cry of the baby that made the milk flow. It's a bit the same with teaching. There's usually nothing and then there is someone there and they ask me a question, and I feel some energy, and I hear myself giving a response. But most of the time I don't think much about it at all. So if there's a need there's going to be a response, but I'm waiting to see how things unfold.
Jerry: How do you deal with terminology? You use words like awareness, consciousness. Do you keep those separate?
Enza: I make a difference between consciousness and awareness. What I'm calling consciousness is what people call universal consciousness or the witness or the witnessing presence, that sort of terminology. And awareness is the one without a subject or object. The way I use consciousness is that first you wake up as the space that contains everything and you realize that everything is also That. In consciousness there is a universal space that contains everything. At first I thought that was "it." Then I started realizing that wasn't the end of the journey. There's something beyond that. It's what Nisargadatta said when the subject and the object become one and you go beyond it, then you are in the absolute space and that's what I'm choosing to call awareness.
Jerry: To me those are the two teachings, of consciousness and awareness. People in the nonduality scene overlook the consciousness place. But it's a good place to come from.
Enza: It's a very good place. That's why a lot of people want to rest there for a long time. Because the step after that, someone said to me is like suicide-ing yourself. From the position of the mind it feels like you sacrifice beingness to move into the next stage of awareness, awareness that doesn't know that it is. That could be quite scary for some people to even contemplate, sacrificing beingness.
Jerry: Some people may be coming from the place of consciousness and not realize that it can dissolve. Yet they can live a very conscious life, make intelligent decisions, and be an effective, kind of realized person. If they get into the literature of nonduality they may realize that where they are at could dissolve. Some may take steps to bring about the dissolving some may not do anything, do you observe those two options playing out or do you have any comments?
Enza: I don't really have a comment. I think everybody's doing what they're doing. Ultimately there's just one play in all this. I believe that to go into the awareness, to go into the dissolving, is not something you can do. I subscribe to what Nisargadatta said that you can only make a little bit of an effort toward becoming the I Am and after that it's grace.
Jerry: When you say "I Am," do you mean...
Enza: Universal consciousness, the space that contains everything, awareness where you know you "are." I call that consciousness. What I call awareness is the core of consciousness which is like a dark radiance with nothing in it. There is nothing that can reflect the light, so you don't even know that you are. You need an object to know your own existence. The sun shines but unless the sunlight hits an object the sun wouldn't have any awareness of itself. It's all one thing. If this moment of presence or being awake right now, if it's left as it is, then it's awareness. If this moment moves, if it's altered in any way, then it becomes consciousness. They're made of the same substance.
Jerry: The nonduality scene today doesn't give much value to the "I Am" or consciousness, as you call it. Yet you can get to the place of consciousness. It's something you can do by focusing on your presence or existence. And like you said you can't do anything to know you are awareness because there's no one there to know it.
Enza: Consciousness is only there because there is a body/mind that is reflecting. Once the body/mind is gone and there is no object for that consciousness to reflect against then all that's left is the pure unmanifest, dark radiance of pure awareness.
Jerry: And I hear you saying, you mentioned Nisargadatta in this regard, there's no technique.
Enza: I don't remember his exact words but he said you could approach the I Am by concentrating on the sense of existence, it's the way to get there, giving your devotion to your sense of existence. This is the true guru, the inner guru. Then it's up to the inner guru to take you all the way. You can't go past the sense of existence, or beingness, or universal consciousness.
Jerry: What I find is that people are going right for the knowing of the absolute, or awareness, instead of the knowing of consciousness or the I Am. But right away there's some nondual teacher saying that's not enlightenment, you're just stuck there. I don't care for that attitude. It's like everything is being "Tony Parsons"d away. And it's true that the I Am state is no different than the chicken a relative brought to your house in Solarino. I'm not saying it's special. Or rather it is special. Better to come from the I Am than a lot of other places.
Enza: It's the first step. Like Nisargadatta said, that's the guru, that's to who you give devotion and attention.
Jerry: Why don't people in today's nonduality scene focus on the I Am?
Enza: I'm not sure. Do you mean the people who say there's nothing to do, nowhere to go?
Jerry: I don't know. How about you? What gang are you in?
Enza: I sent a couple chapters of my book to someone, I can't remember his name right now but he said the teaching was progressive. Basically my idea is that this realization is right in front of your nose, everybody's got it, everybody's had it forever. I couldn't see it. I wasn't looking in the right way. I was so distracted with what I thought it would look like that I didn't notice that it was always here.
For the first was years I felt you don't need to do anything else, there's nowhere to go, nothing to seek, nothing to know. I was talking to Leo, and he said he understood all that mentally, that all I was telling him was what they say in all the books, but he said, "Can you show me in another way that there's nothing to do? I get that but that's not where I am."
At the level of absolute truth everbody's already enlightened, free, complete. But at the level of relative truth we're still suffering because we haven't realized that. And I realize those truths are inseparable. They're two sides of the same coin. The goal is to embrace both.
So what I've tried to do with Leo is do what I call the practice of presence. And it's a paradox to practice what we already are. But for Leo the words such as "nothing to do," "nowhere to go," weren't enough. It helps if you resonate with this practice of presence and Leo resonates with it. The practice is meant to help you notice what is already here, what we are looking out from. It's not about giving you something you don't have. It helped Leo and some of my friends. It recognizes what's here. On a relative level a person is suffering because they haven't realized the absolute. So what do you do? You have to start where you are. You have to start where the person is.
Enza Vita
Group: NDhighlights Message: 4916 From: Mark Date: 2013-05-13
Subject: #4910, Sunday - May 5, 2013
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Nonduality Highlights Issue #4910, Sunday, May 5, 2013

When John Daido Loori was a monk at the Los Angeles Zen Center, he remarked one day to Maezumi Roshi: " I have resolved the question of life and death."

"Are you sure?" Maezumi asked.

"Yes,"replied Loori.

"Are you really sure?:

Absolutely," Loori answered.

With that, Maezumi threw himself violently upon Loori and began to strangle him. Gasping for breath, Loori struggled to escape, but to no avail. Finally he swung back his fist and struck his teacher, knocking him aside.

Maezumi rose to his feet and brushed himself off. "Resolved the question of life and death, eh?" he laughed, and walked off.

Later, still bearing the marks of his teacher's fingers on his throat, Loori passed a senior monk, Genpo Sensei.

On seeing the bruises, Genpo did a double take. "Told Roshi you'd resolved the question of life and death, did you?" he said and strode away laughing.

- Sean Murphy from One Bird, One Stone: 108 American Zen Stories

You Are the unchanging Awareness in which all activities takes place.
To deny this is to suffer, to know this is Freedom.

It is not difficult to realize this because it is your True Nature.
Simply Inquire 'Who am I?' and Watch Carefully.
Do not make effort and do not stir a thought.
Look within, approach with all-devotion and stay as Heart.
Keep vigilant and you will see that nothing will arise.

This is the trick of how to keep the mind quiet
and how to win Freedom. This doesn't take time
because Freedom is always Here.
You simply have to watch: where does mind arise from?
Where does thought come from? What is the source of this thought?
Then you will see that you have always been Free
and that everything has been a dream.

- Papaji from The Truth Is

If the doors of perception were cleansed
everything would appear to man as it is,

- William Blake, posted to AlongTheWay

When one begins to practice simplicity, the ego is deprived of the very strategy by which it sustains itself. Nothing will deflate the ego more effectively than to be recognized for what it is. It lives by pretension. It dies when the mask is torn away and the stark reality is exposed to the gaze of others. Simplicity also avails in braking the tyranny of things. Ostentation, artificiality, ornamentation, pretentious style, luxury--all require things. One requires few things to be one's self, one's age, and one's moral, intellectual, or spiritual stature. What one is does not depend on what one has.

Albert E. Day

People individually and collectively are entitled to life in all abundance. El Dorado, a country rich beyond all precedent in gold and jewels, lies at every person's door. Your bonanza lies under your feet. Your luck is already at hand. All is within; nothing is without.

- Herbert Seibert

The universe cannot be miserly. It cannot be wanting. It holds nothing but abundance. It is perfect love, and perfect love is absolute, eternal giving.

- Emmanuel

Today I know that I cannot control the ocean tides. I can only go with the flow. . . . When I struggle and try to organize the Atlantic to my specifications, I sink. If I flail and thrash and growl and grumble, I go under. But, if I let go and float, I am borne aloft.

Marie Stilkind

Life has no other discipline to impose, if we would but realize it, than to accept life unquestioningly. Everything we shut our eyes to, everything we run away from, everything we deny, denigrate, or despise, serves to defeat us in the end. What seems nasty, painful, evil, can become a source of beauty, joy, and strength, if faced with an open mind. Every moment is a golden one for those who have the vision to recognize it as such.

Henry Miller

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4917 From: Gloria Lee Date: 2013-05-13
Subject: #4917 - Monday, May 13, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee

#4917 - Monday,В May 13, 2013 - Editor: Gloria Lee
A Poem for Mother's Day by Fred Lamotte
Love dissolves particles into waves.
Lovers let go of the difference
between doing and not doing.
A mother nurses her infant
and the universe is sustained.
Who is the doer?
God is milk
created by yearning.
At the center of the galaxy
all is still for trillions of years,
yet here it rains, the sun comes out,
lilacs like unfolding skies
burst from their burial.
Do what you can, friend,
the world remains as it is.
Yet without love, all is dust.
Be more and more like the infant
churning the milk ocean
with a tiny yearning heart.
Painting: 'Maternity,' Pablo Picasso


One believes that there is bondage and therefore seeks liberation.
But the fact is that there is no bondage but only liberation...
Only remove ignorance. That is all there is to be done.
~Ramana Maharshi
via Daily Dharma by Amrita Nadi

There is no attainment and no cultivation of original nature. You are Consciousness,
not a farmer! Why work for that which you already are? Do not mentate, do not
stir a thought. Trying to get out of superimposed bondage, which is the notion that
you are separate from Existence, you will land in superimposed freedom.
via Along The Way

The state we call realization is simply being oneÂ’s self, not knowing anything or
becoming anything. If one has realized, he is that which alone is and which alone has
always been. He cannot describe that state, he can only be that.В 
~Ramana Maharshi

Once you realize that the road is the goal and that you are always on the road, not
to reach a goal, but to enjoy its beauty and its wisdom, life ceases to be a task and
becomes natural and simple, in itself an ecstasy.
~Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
"Footpath" - 2010
oil on black canvas with palette knife

You are the road of Love
and at the end my Home.

В Good Medicine
Unbelief is good medicine, undoing belief
В В В В В В В В В  better:
all beings free to leave their being
В В В В В В В В В  and enter silence.
The nameless tree with its forest
В В В В В В В В В  of green,
the endless expanse called
В В В В В В В В В  sky, beaks and
feathered wings with their urgent
В В В В В В В В В  conversations;
all around, the light that sets the vital body
В В В В В В В В В  to humming,
and the dark of re-creation:
В В В В В В В В В  the world held for us in promise
until it is loosened from
В В В В В В В В В  our thinking.

By Andrew Colliver
(1953 - )
- From the unpublished manuscript A Day of Light, by Andrew Colliver
Group: NDhighlights Message: 4918 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-15
Subject: #4918 - Tuesday, May 14, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4918 - Tuesday,В May 14, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Tears of the Buddha: Spirituality & Emotions
View trailer and rent it at
WhatÂ’s the relationship between emotional healing and enlightenment?
Are emotions impediments to spiritual growth?
Does transcending heal emotional wounds?
These are the questions I set out to explore in my new documentary, Tears of the Buddha: Spirituality & Emotions. The film comes out of my personal experience of meditating for more than 30 years, being interested in many different spiritual teachings, and questioning how spiritual teachings apply (or don't) in daily life.
Rather than yet another film about a teacherÂ’s enlightenment, I wanted to make a qualitative study of the relationship between spirituality and emotions, asking modern spiritual teachers the same questions. So, over the course of about a year, I traveled around the country and interviewed teachers who have distinct positions: Gangaji, Eli Jaxon-Bear, Jeff Foster, Daniel Barron, Mukti, Pamela Wilson, Jon Bernie, Judith Blackstone, Karl Renz, John de Ruiter, Rupert Spira and Peter Fenner.
The conversations I had with the teachers have profound implications for seekers because emotions are integral to personal life, and yet many teachings suggest that we need to let go of emotions, especially more intense emotions like anger or hate. The suggestion is often to remember that you're not the wave of anger, youÂ’re the ocean of consciousness. But what if consciousness is not essential? What if emotion is more fundamental than consciousness? What would spiritual teachings then look like?
Tears presents a unique comparison of teachings - from disowning and transcending emotions in the name of spiritual growth, to embodying emotion as our essence and healing the split between our human and divine nature.
View trailer and rentВ the full movieВ at


Duality and Nonduality

by Colin Drake

I recently had the following e-mail exchange with a good friend which brought up the important question of the experience of duality within the Absolute Reality of which we are all manifestations.

Hello Colin

As always thank you for sharing your beautiful insights.

Have you read the book by a neurosurgeon named Eben Alexander, called

Г‚вЂ˜Proof of HeavenÂ’? ItÂ’s an easy read about his near death experience. ItÂ’s quite amazing. He was the typical academic, bow tie wearing non-believer prior to his NDE. Then out of the blue, when he was around 54, he was struck down with E. Coli meningitis and lapsed into a coma for 7 days. His neocortex was totally non-functional and only the very basic parts of his hind brain (reptilian portion) was functioning. This is a quote from his book Page 160 ... At the heart of the most infinite oneness, there was still that duality.

He said, he felt a

Г‚вЂ˜onenessÂ’ of love with everything, yet he describes God as being an overseeing Higher Power of this loving oneness.

Lots of love XO

On 08/05/2013, at 3:28 PM, "Colin Drake" wrote:

Dear XXXX, Thanks for that. There is undoubtedly [apparent] duality until the final stillness of nonduality, consciousness at rest. Whilst 'he' was still feeling the 'oneness' then there was separation and thus duality. In the final analysis there is no separate being, no 'he' and God, just consciousness and this, by definition, is

Г‚вЂ˜beyond experienceÂ’ Love, Colin

At this stage I realize I should have written

Г‚вЂ˜apparent dualityÂ’ and I should also have added that he experienced duality at the heart of the oneness because he was still (and probably always had been) identified as a separate being. This is evidenced by his background before his near death experience.

However, this does not invalidate his experience of duality within the oneness for this can be a vital stage prior to the final realization of nonduality.

This is shown by the experiences of Sri Ramakrishna who:

verified, for him by his own experiences, many diverse Hindu paths, Islam and Christianity. He found that they all lead to at least one of the three aspects of God: the personal in form, the personal without form, the formless with attributes and the formless without attributes. Indeed many of them led to all three, commencing with a vision of God in form, graduating to communion with the formless God with attributes and culminating in complete union with the formless Absolute.

Typical of this experience was the following:

On the evening of the third day, whilst in this mood, he saw a man of fair complexion, luminous appearance, with long brilliant eyes and a flat-tipped nose, approaching him. Ramakrishna, charmed by his divine expression, wondered who this could be and as he grew nearer he heard from his own heart the words: Г‚вЂ˜Jesus The Christ! The great yogi, the loving Son of God, one with the Father, who gave his heartÂ’s blood and put up with endless torture, in order to deliver man from sorrow and miseryÂ’. The figure then embraced him and merged into him. Ramakrishna then experienced bhava-samadhi, a state of ecstasy in which a trace of ego remains, enabling one to enjoy the presence of God. He then lost outer consciousness entering savikalpa samadhi, in which one is united with the Absolute with attributes.

So this is an example of experiencing God with form, followed by the formless, but with attributes, in which the feeling of duality still exists so that one may enjoy God

Â’s presence. On many other occasions this was then followed by his entering nirvikalpa samadhi Г‚вЂ“Г‚вЂ˜the supreme transcendental state of consciousness in which the spiritual aspirant becomes completely absorbed in Brahman so that all duality is obliteratedÂ’.

Therefore we could say that the state that Eben Alexander experienced was that of savikalpa samadhi in which there is still the feeling of duality rather than this final stage where all experience and duality ceases. For in this state there is no separate being and thus no one who can experience



This culminating stage of nonduality may sound like it

Â’s a long way off but it is actually always present and may be readily accessed by becoming aware of, and identifying with, Awareness. This being the screen on which all of our sensations/thoughts and mental images appear and are Г‚вЂ˜seenÂ’ by the mind, when the mind becomes Г‚вЂ˜awareÂ’ of them.

This is easy to directly experience by closing one

Â’s eyes and seeing whether you can simultaneously be Г‚вЂ˜aware ofÂ’ (notice) all of the thoughts/mental images and sensations that are occurring. This is found to be impossible and yet these are all there in Awareness, which becomes apparent when one focuses oneÂ’s mind on , or turns oneÂ’s mind to, any of themÂ…. and there they are!

Rumi described this as: the clear conscious core of your being, the same in ecstasy as in self-hating fatigue. That is to say the Awareness in which the ecstasy or the self-hating fatigue appears. Now generally you would just be aware of, and affected by, the phenomenal state. If, however, you become aware of the Awareness in which this state is occurring and can fully identify with, and as, this Awareness then the state loses its power to affect your equanimity. For Awareness is always utterly still and silent, totally unaffected by whatever appears in it, in the same way that the sky is unaffected by the clouds that scud across it.

It is this identification with Awareness that can be achieved by

Г‚вЂ˜investigation of the WayÂ’ and the easiest way to do this is to directly investigate the nature of oneÂ’s moment-to-moment experience, see the appendix. When this is successfully accomplished and you can see that at the deepest level, you are Awareness itself then this is an awakening. If this cultivated by remaining Г‚вЂ˜aware of AwarenessÂ’ (and identified as Awareness) then this leads to full awakening.

This Awareness is not personal but is common to all and is the

Г‚вЂ˜constant conscious subjective presenceÂ’ that is consciousness at rest; from which all matter/energy which is consciousness in motion (or motion in consciousness) arises, in which it abides and subsides. In this there is no duality as there is only the one essence, consciousness, appearing in two modes at rest and in motion. To back up my assertion that all things arise in, exist in, are seen by, and finally subside back into pure Awareness (consciousness at rest) this can be shown to be the case at the purely experiential level, see the appendix, in particular point 7.

If you can sink deeply into this pure awareness (in which the following arise, reside and subside) it's easy to see that thoughts, sensations, mental images, feelings of separation etc. are just a flow of ephemeral objects coming and going, ebbing and flowing, tooing and froing, hiding and showing in that constant conscious subjective presence (pure awareness) that we all are.

To give another angle to the duality/nonduality paradox I include the following poem which highlights the purpose of our (apparent) separation, its final dissolution and the problem with identifying as a separate being

Â… not necessarily in that order:

The Myth of Ego (Separation)

The myth of ego is pervasive,

Seeming inescapable, useful or an

Г‚вЂ˜advanced stateÂ’,

These ideas are very persuasive,

Held by the majority of those to whom I relate.

Alas it

Â’s often with Г‚вЂ˜characterÂ’ confused,

Or with personality equated,

Thus with apparent reality it

Â’s imbued,

And its value is grossly inflated.

Actually it

Â’s an illusory concept,

The major cause of misidentification,

Positing that one is a separate object,

Rather than an ephemeral manifestation.

Of consciousness we are a fleeting emanation,

Possessing a unique body and mind,

Through which That can experience Its creation,

Enjoying the thoughts and sensations we


To live in a useful and harmonious way,

We need character and personality,

Attributes of each expression, day to day,

Until finally merging back into the Totality.

So apparent separation and its properties,

Are impermanent, not applying to The Absolute,

Needed to encounter the world

Â’s diversities,

Until back into Aware Nothingness we transmute.

Thus character and personality are needed,

But not ego nurturing separation,

By which universality appears impeded,

In fact it

Â’s just the mindÂ’s fabrication.



Below follows a simple method to investigate the nature of reality starting with one

Â’s day-to-day experience. Each step should be considered until one experiences, or Г‚вЂ˜seesÂ’, its validity before moving on to the following step. If you reach a step where you do not find this possible, continue on regardless in the same way, and hopefully the flow of the investigation will make this step clear. By all means examine each step critically but with an open mind, for if you only look for Г‚вЂ˜holesÂ’ thatÂ’s all you will find!

1. Consider the following statement:

Г‚вЂ˜Life, for each of us, is just a series of moment-to-moment experiencesÂ’. These experiences start when we are born and continue until we die, rushing headlong after each other, so that they seem to merge into a whole that we call Г‚вЂ˜my lifeÂ’. However, if we stop to look we can readily see that, for each of us, every moment is just an experience.

2. Any moment of experience has only three elements: thoughts (including all mental images), sensations (everything sensed by the body and its sense organs) and Awareness of these thoughts and sensations. Emotions and feelings are a combination of thought and sensation.

3. Thoughts and sensations are ephemeral, that is they come and go, and are objects, i.e.

Г‚вЂ˜thingsÂ’ that are perceived.

4. Awareness is the constant subject, the

Г‚вЂ˜perceiverÂ’ of thoughts and sensations and that which is always present. Even during sleep there is Awareness of dreams and of the quality of that sleep; and there is also Awareness of sensations; if a sensation becomes strong enough, such as a sound or uncomfortable sensation, one will wake up.

5. All thoughts and sensations appear in Awareness, exist in Awareness, and subside back into Awareness. Before any particular thought or sensation there is effortless Awareness of

Г‚вЂ˜what isÂ’: the sum of all thoughts and sensations occurring at any given instant. During the thought or sensation in question there is effortless Awareness of it within Г‚вЂ˜what isÂ’. Then when it has gone there is still effortless Awareness of Г‚вЂ˜what isÂ’.

6. So the body/mind is experienced as a flow of ephemeral objects appearing in this Awareness, the ever present subject. For each of us any external object or thing is experienced as a combination of thought and sensation, i.e. you may see it, touch it, know what it is called, and so on. The point is that for us to be aware of anything, real or imaginary, requires thought about and/or sensation of that thing and it is Awareness of these thoughts and sensations that constitutes our experience.

7. Therefore this Awareness is the constant substratum in which all things appear to arise, exist and subside. In addition, all living things rely on Awareness of their environment to exist and their behaviour is directly affected by this. At the level of living cells and above this is self-evident, but it has been shown that even electrons change their behaviour when (aware of) being observed! Thus this Awareness exists at a deeper level than body/mind (and matter/energy) and we are this Awareness!

8. This does not mean that at a surface level we are not the mind and body, for they arise in, are perceived by and subside back into Awareness, which is the deepest and most fundamental level of our being. However, if we choose to identify with this deepest level

– Awareness - (the perceiver) rather than the surface level, mind/body (the perceived), then thoughts and sensations are seen for what they truly are, just ephemeral objects which come and go, leaving Awareness itself totally unaffected.

One may then investigate this Awareness further to discover its wondrous properties, for more on this see any of my books on awakening.

~ ~ ~

Colin Drake's ebooks and hard copy books are available at




When, where, what, who, why?

Questions,В  questions,
an opening in the being....
a wanting to know
Born out of not knowing..

A child is forever questioning.
She/he does not know,
is in a state of not knowing.
Is in the natural state and is at ease.
But tries to make sense of this world of appearances.
How to live this life of a separate self and world.
And while doing so falls out of paradise.

Then as an adult we start the return journey.
We know how the world of appearances works,
we have been at it for years.

How to pay our taxes,В 
or how the public transport system runs.
How to cook a meal,В 
or how not to stand out at a dinner party.

If we are lucky something kicks in and begins the questioning,
wants to return home.

Why are we here?
Who am I?


~ ~ ~

Anamika's poetry and photography blog is

My interview with her is one of the most popular I've done:

Group: NDhighlights Message: 4919 From: Jerry Katz Date: 2013-05-15
Subject: #4919 - Wednesday, May 15, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz
#4919 - Wednesday,В May 15, 2013 - Editor: Jerry Katz

The Nonduality Highlights

Interview with Enza Vita
Enza Vita lives in Adelaide, South Australia, where she and her husband Leo Drioli own and operate Inner Self Magazine:
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Here is a listing of the tracks:

In the first hour (1:16:38, to be exact) there are blasts of static throughout the interview. If you find the static makes the interview hard to listen to, you may read a transcript of the first 1:16:38 here:

You may skip to 1:16:39, where the last hour is static-free.

0:00 - 4:43 Enza's first interview. Husband Leo Drioli. Australia. Meeting Enza at SAND. Chatting, talking about Enza's name.

4:43 - 17:52 Born in Italy. Going to Australia at age 17. Alice Springs. Coming from Solarino, Sicily Growing up in Solarino. Feeling different growing up and having various boundary dissolving experiences that were outside the normal thus making her feel isolated. Several experiences described growing up and talking to different people in order to understand them. Trying to be normal. Discovery in Alice Springs resonating with childhood activity and being a sign she should stay in Australia. Family dinners in Sicily.

17:52 - 24:09 Family dinners in Solarino remembered and described. Enza being up on the roof to get away. Stories. How much of nonduality is stories? Awareness introduced.

24:09 - 30:36 Continuation of the discussion on going to Australia at age 17. Not speaking English. Dealing with her dad who didn't want to let her go. Living in Alice Springs for two years. Reading at the library. Seeking. Trying to understand her experiences.

30:36 - 35:54 Nature of Enza's seeking. Moving to Adelaide. Meeting her husband Leo Drioli. Making herbal potions. Studying naturopathy. Seeing teachers. Discovering Nisargadatta's I Am That. Also Ramana Maharshi, Dzogchen books.

35:54 - 46:15 All the teachings having flown through Enza, being part of Enza as guiding energy. Current connection with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu . Remarkable story he tells that connects directly with Enza's childhood experience. Experience with Zen breathing/meditation teacher that led to an opening up. More about resonance with Chogyal Namkhai Norbu stemming from her childhood. Mystery of it.

46:15 - 57:29 Being meditated, significance of. Paradox of getting from here to here. Enza learned to describe her knowing out of questions from her husband Leo. Not having anything to teach. Waiting for the next step as a teacher to become clear. If there were no questions she would have nothing to say.

57:29 - 1:01:58 Waiting for space to open to start teaching. Needing a reason to give teaching. The breast feeding story/analogy to giving a teaching.

1:01:58 - 1:13:11 Terms consciousness and awareness discussed. Coming from consciousness compared to standing as awareness. "I am" as consciousness. Nature of awareness itself. "Dark radiance of pure awareness." Nature of "I am" and how to realize. Why isn't the "I am" awareness promoted in today's nonduality circles?

1:13:11 - 1:16:38 Suffering at the level of relative truth and as inseparable from absolute truth. Embracing both. Practice of presence. In teaching, starting with where a person is at.


1:16:39 - 1:21:08 Enza changes phone. Chatting about coffee and karaoke. Casual chat. Enza talks about her memory not being too good so she doesn't remember what we were talking about before she switched phones.

1:21:08 - 1:27:34 The event of dropping away, non-separation, or shift in perception, or looking and seeing that she was everything. Everyone is already looking in this way. As a searcher or seeker you are looking for something other than this non-separation. Spiritual people resisting that Enza had this realization. This was seven years ago.

1:27:34 - 1:34:16 Is this realization a big deal? How the initial realization played out for Enza. Not talking about it openly for a few years. Role of meditation in facilitating realization. Not necessary to meditate as a practice. Enza having an inner knowing that this lifetime was for self-realization.

1:34:16 - 1:42:55 Enza feeling that a rope from within was pulling her toward "something" and that it was inevitable. Having trust. Nature of honoring that tug toward the inevitable. Relaxing into the spacious knowingness or "I am."

1:42:55 - 1:48:15 Talking about awareness alone could be boring as it is not the complete picture. Nature of the separate person. We don't need thoughts to know the sharp lucidity. Yet the mind is used to carry out the business of discussing awareness.

1:48:15 - 1:55:15 A space between the words. I ask Enza if she reads any current books. She says her memory is no longer photographic as when she was young. Things don't stick around, even in the middle of speaking. Silence as the default stand. Her husband Leo keeps her exteriorized. How Enza is engaged in the world. Living in the body.

1:55:16 - 2:07:00 We talk about the Science and Nonduality Conference (SAND) U.S.A. 2012, where we met. Enza suggests a SAND for Australia. I talk about the group in Nova Scotia I'm involved with. Mind grasps perspectives. The activity in satsang where the teacher tries to get people to shift perspective toward non-separation. Enza's experience addressing her husband's questions. Headlessness.

2:07:00 - 2:16:50 A natural approach to self-realization compared to forcing it, yet can't dismiss the more forced approach. The nature of being interviewed. Is anything happening? Awareness in movement and awareness still. Ramana Maharshi on deep sleep. Enza's out of the body experiences as a kid and energetic experiences as an adult. Enza rehearsing as a backup singer for her husband Leo's band which is opening for the Dalai Lama's upcoming appearance.
photo: Enza Vita and Leo Drioli

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