Reality lies in Objectivity
I am a painter and I earn by painting pictures. Has it any
value from the spiritual point
When you paint what do you think about?
When I paint, there is only the painting and myself.
What are you doing there?
No, you don't. You see the painting going on. You are watching
only, all else happens.
The picture is painting itself? Or, is there some deeper 'me',
or some god who is painting?
Consciousness itself is the greatest painter. The entire world
is a Picture.
Who painted the picture of the world?
The painter is in the Picture.
The picture is in the mind of the painter and the painter is
in the picture, which is in the mind of
painter who is in the picture! Is not this infinity of states
and dimensions absurd? The moment
talk of picture in the mind, which itself is in the picture,
we come to an endless succession of
the higher witness witnessing the lower. It is like standing
between two mirrors and
at the crowd!
Quite right, you alone and the double mirror are there.
Between the two, your forms and names
How do you look at the world?
I see a painter painting a picture. The picture I call the
world, the painter I call God. I am neither.
do not create, nor am I created. I contain all, nothing
When I see a tree, a face, a sunset, the picture is perfect.
When I close my eyes, the image in
mind is faint and hazy. If it is my mind that projects the
picture, why need I open my eyes to see
lovely flower and with eyes closed I see it vaguely?
It is because your outer eyes are better than your inner eyes.
Your mind is all turned outward.
you learn to watch your mental world, you will find it even
more colourful and perfect than what
body can provide. Of course, you will need some training. But
why argue? You imagine that the
must come from the painter who actually painted it. All the
time you look for origins and
Causality is in the mind, only; memory gives the illusion of
continuity and repetitiveness
the idea of causality. When things repeatedly happen together,
we tend to see a causal link
them. It creates a mental habit, but a habit is not a
You have just said that the world is made by God.
Remember that language is an instrument of the mind; It is
made by the mind, for the mind.
you admit a cause, then God is the ultimate cause and the
world the effect. They are different,
People talk of seeing God.
When you see the world you see God. There is no seeing God,
apart from the world. Beyond
world to see God is to be God. The light by which you see the
world, which is God is the tiny
spark: 'I am', apparently so small, yet the first and the last
in every act of knowing and loving.
Must I see the world to see God?
How else? No world, no God.
You remain as pure being.
And what becomes of the world and of God?
Pure being (avyakta).
Is it the same as the Great Expanse (paramakash)?
You may call it so. Words do not matter, for they do not reach
it. They turn back in utter
How can I see the world as God? What does it mean to see the
world as God?
It is like entering a dark room. You see nothing -- you may
touch, but you do not see -- no
no outlines. The window opens and the room is flooded with
light. Colours and shapes
into being. The window is the giver of light, but not the
source of it. The sun is the source.
matter is like the dark room; consciousness -- the window --
flooding matter with
and perceptions, and the Supreme is the sun the source both of
matter and of light. The
may be closed, or open, the sun shines all the time. It makes
all the difference to the room,
none to the sun. Yet all this is secondary to the tiny little
thing which is the 'I am'. Without the 'I
there is nothing. All knowledge is about the 'I am'. False
ideas about this 'I am' lead to bondage,
knowledge leads to freedom and happiness.
Is 'I am' and 'there is' the same?
'I am' denotes the inner, 'there is' -- the outer. Both are
based on the sense of being.
Is it the same as the experience of existence?
To exist means to be something, a thing, a feeling, a thought,
an idea. All existence is particular.
being is universal, in the sense that every being is
compatible with every other being.
clash, being -- never. Existence means becoming, change, birth
and death and birth
while in being there is silent peace.
If I create the world, why have I made it bad?
Everyone lives in his own world. Not all the worlds are
equally good or bad.
What determines the difference?
The mind that projects the world, colours it its own way. When
you meet a man, he is a
When you marry him, he becomes your own self. When you
quarrel, he becomes your
It is your mind's attitude that determines what he is to you.
I can see that my world is subjective. Does it make it also
It is illusory as long as it is subjective and to that extent
only. Reality lies in objectivity.
What does objectivity mean? You said the world is subjective
and now you talk of objectivity. Is
Everything is subjective, but the real is objective.
In what sense?
It does not depend on memories and expectations, desires and
fears, likes and dislikes. All is
as it is.
Is it what you call the fourth state (turiya)?
Call it as you like. It is solid, steady, changeless,
beginningless and endless, ever new, ever
How is it reached?
Desirelessness and fearlessness will take you there.