Develop the Witness Attitude
What is the daily and hourly state of mind of a realised man? How
does he see, hear,
drink, wake and sleep, work and rest? What proof is there of his
state as different from ours?
from the verbal testimony of the so-called realised people, is
there no way of verifying their
objectively. Are there not some observable differences in their
physiological and nervous
in their metabolism, or brain waves, or in their psychosomatic
You may find differences, or you may not. All depends on your
capacity of observation.
objective differences are however, the least important. What
matters is their outlook, their
which is that of total detachment, aloofness, standing apart.
Does not a jnani feel sorrow when his child dies, does he not
He suffers with those who suffer. The event itself is of little
importance, but he is full of
for the suffering being, whether alive or dead, in the body or out
of it. After all, love and
are his very nature. He is one with all that lives and love is
that oneness in action.
People are very much afraid of death.
The jnani is afraid of nothing. But he pities the man who is
afraid. After all to be born, to live and
die is natural. To be afraid is not. To the event, of course,
attention is given.
Imagine you are ill -- high fever, aches, shivers. The doctor
tells you the condition is serious,
are only a few days to live. What would be your first reaction?
No reaction. As it is natural for the incense stick to burn out,
so it is natural for the body to die.
it is a matter of very little importance. What matters is that I
am neither the body nor the
Your family will be desperate, of course. What would you tell
The usual stuff: fear not, life goes on, God will protect you, we
shall be soon together again and
on. But to me the entire commotion is meaningless, for I am not
the entity that imagines itself
or dead. I am neither born nor can I die. I have nothing to
remember or to forget.
What about the prayers for the dead?
By all means pray for the dead. It pleases them very much. They
are flattered. The jnani does
need your prayers. He is himself the answer to your prayers.
How does the jnani fare after death?
The jnani is dead already. Do you expect him to die again?
Surely, the dissolution of the body is an important event even to
There are no important events for a jnani, except when somebody
reaches the highest goal.
only his heart rejoices. All else is of no concern. The entire
universe is his body, all life is his
As in a city of lights, when one bulb burns out, it does not
affect the network, so the death of a
does not affect the whole.
The particular may not matter to the whole, but it does matter to
the particular. The whole is an
the particular, the concrete, is real.
That is what you say. To me it may be the other way -- the whole
is real, the part comes and
The particular is born and reborn, changing name and shape, the
jnani is the Changeless
which makes the changeful possible. But he cannot give you the
conviction. It must come
your own experience. With me all is one, all is equal.
Are sin and virtue one and the same?
These are all man-made values! What are they to me? What ends in
happiness is virtue, what
in sorrow is sin. Both are states of mind. Mine is not a State of
We are like the blind people at a loss to understand what does it
mean to see.
You can put it as you like.
Is the practice of silence as a sadhana effective?
Anything you do for the sake of enlightenment takes you nearer.
Anything you do without
enlightenment puts you off. But why complicate? Just know that you
are above and
all things and thoughts. What you want to be, you are it already.
Just keep it in mind.
I hear you saying it, but I cannot believe.
I was in the same position myself. But I trusted my Guru and he
proved right. Trust me, if you
Keep in mind what I tell you: desire nothing, for you lack
nothing. The very seeking prevents
You seem to be so very indifferent to everything!
I am not indifferent, I am impartial. I give no preference to the
me and the mine. A basket of
and a basket of jewels are both unwanted. Life and death are all
the same to me.
Impartiality makes you indifferent.
On the contrary, compassion and love are my very core. Void of all
predilections, I am free to
Buddha said that the idea of enlightenment is extremely important.
Most people go through
lives not even knowing that there is such a thing as
enlightenment, leave alone the striving for
Once they have heard of it, a seed was sown which cannot die.
Therefore, he would send his
to preach ceaselessly for eight months every year.
'One can give food, clothes, shelter, knowledge, affection, but
the highest gift is the gospel of
my Guru used to say. You are right, enlightenment is the highest
good. Once you
it, nobody can take it away from you.
If you would talk like this in the West, people would take you for
Of course, they would! To the ignorant all that they can not
understand is madness. What of it?
them be as they are. I am as I am, for no merit of mine and they
are as they are, for no fault of
The Supreme Reality manifests itself in innumerable ways. Infinite
in number are its names
shapes. All arise, all merge in the same ocean, the source of all
is one. Looking for causes and
is but the pastime of the mind. What is, is lovable. Love is not a
result, it is the very ground
being. Wherever you go, you will find being, consciousness and
love. Why and what for make
When by natural causes thousands and millions of lives are
extinguished (as it happens in
and earthquakes), I do not grieve. But when one man dies at the
hand of man, I grieve
The inevitable has its own majesty, but killing is avoidable and,
therefore, ugly and
All happens as it happens. Calamities, whether natural or
man-made, happen, and there is no
to feel horrified.
How can anything be without cause?
In every event the entire universe is reflected. The ultimate
cause is untraceable. The very idea
causation is only a way of thinking and speaking. We cannot
imagine, uncaused emergence.
however, does not prove the existence of causation.
Nature is mindless, hence irresponsible. But man has a mind. Why
is it so perverse?
The causes of perversity are also natural -- heredity, environment
and so on. You are too quick
condemn. Do not worry about others. Deal with your own mind first.
When you realise that your
too is a part of nature, the duality will cease.
There is some mystery in it which I cannot fathom. How can the
mind be a part of nature?
Because nature is in the mind; without the mind where is nature?
If nature is in the mind and the mind is my own, I should be able
to control nature, which is not
the case. Forces beyond my control determine my behaviour.
Develop the witness attitude and you will find in your own
experience that detachment brings
The state of witnessing is full of power, there is nothing passive