In Self-awareness you Learn about Yourself
It is our repeated experience that the disciples do much
harm to their Gurus. They
plans and carry them out, without considering the Guru's
wishes. In the end there is only
worry for the Guru and bitterness for his disciples.
Yes, it does happen.
Who compels the Guru to submit to these indignities?
The Guru is basically without desire. He sees what happens,
but feels no urge to interfere. He
no choices, takes no decisions. As pure witness, he watches
what is going on and remains
But his work suffers.
Victory is always his -- in the end. He knows that if the
disciples do not learn from his words,
will learn from their own mistakes. Inwardly he remains
quiet and silent. He has no sense of
a separate person. The entire universe is his own, including
his disciples with their petty
Nothing in particular affects him, or, which comes to the
same, the entire universe affects him
Is there no such thing as the Guru's grace?
His grace is constant and universal. It is not given to one
and denied to another.
How does it affect me personally?
It is by The Guru's grace that your mind is engaged in
search for truth and it is by his grace that
will find it. It works unwaringly towards your ultimate
good. And it is for all.
Some disciples are ready, mature, and some are not. Must not
the Guru exercise choice and
The Guru knows the Ultimate and relentlessly propels the
disciple towards it. The disciple is full
obstacles, which he himself must overcome. The Guru is not
very much concerned with the
of the disciple's life. It is like gravitation The fruit
must fall -- when no longer held
If the disciple does not know the goal, how can he make out
The goal is shown by the Guru, obstacles are discovered by
the disciple. The Guru has no
but those who have obstacles to overcome seem to be lagging
reality the disciple is not different from the Guru. He is
the same dimensionless centre of
and love in action. It is only his imagination and
self-identification with the imagined, that
him and converts him into a person. The Guru is concerned
little with the person. His
is on the inner watcher. It is the task of the watcher to
understand and thereby eliminate
person. While there is grace on one side, there must be
dedication to the task on the other.
But the person does not want to be eliminated.
The person is merely the result of a misunderstanding. In
reality, there is no such thing.
thoughts and actions race before the watcher in endless
succession, leaving traces in the
and creating an illusion of continuity. A reflection of the
watcher in the mind creates the sense
'I' and the person acquires an apparently independent
existence. In reality there is no person,
the watcher identifying himself with the 'I' and the 'mine'.
The teacher tells the watcher: you are
this, there is nothing of yours in this, except the little
point of 'I am', which is the bridge between
watcher and his dream. ‘I am this, I am that' is dream,
while pure 'I am' has the stamp of reality
it. You have tasted so many things -- all came to naught.
Only the sense 'I am' persisted --
Stay with the changeless among the changeful, until you are
able to go beyond.
When will it happen?
It will happen as soon as you remove the obstacles.
Desire for the false and fear of the true. You, as the
person, imagine that the Guru is interested
you as a person. Not at all. To him you are a nuisance and a
hindrance to be done away with. He
aims at your elimination as a factor in consciousness.
If I am eliminated, what will remain?
Nothing will remain, all will remain. The sense of identity
will remain, but no longer identification
a particular body. Being -- awareness -- love will shine in
full splendour. Liberation is never of
person, it is always from the person.
And no trace remains of the person?
A vague memory remains, like the memory of a dream, or early
childhood. After all, what is
to remember? A flow of events, mostly accidental and
meaningless. A sequence of desires
fears and inane blunders. Is there anything worth
remembering? The person is but a shell
you. Break the shell.
Whom are you asking to break the shell? Who is to break the
Break the bonds of memory and self-identification and the
shell will break by itself. There is a
that imparts reality to whatever it perceives. All you need
is to understand that you are the
of reality, that you give reality instead of getting it,
that you need no support and no
Things are as they are, because you accept them as they are.
Stop accepting them
they will dissolve. Whatever you think about with desire or
fear appears before you as real.
at it without desire or fear and it does lose substance.
Pleasure and pain are momentary. It is
and easier to disregard them than to act on them.
If all things come to an end, why did they appear at all?
Creation is in the very nature of consciousness.
Consciousness causes appearances. Reality is
While we are conscious of appearances, how is it that we are
not conscious that these are
The mind covers up reality, without knowing it. To know the
nature of the mind, you need
the capacity to look at the mind in silent and dispassionate
If I am of the nature of all-pervading consciousness, how
could ignorance and illusion happen
Neither ignorance nor illusion ever happened to you. Find
the self to which you ascribe
and illusion and your question will be answered. You talk as
if you know the self and see
to be under the sway of ignorance and illusion. But, in
fact, you do not know the self, nor are you
of ignorance. By all means become aware -- this will bring
you to the self and you will realise
there is neither ignorance nor delusion in it. It is like
saying: if there is sun, how can darkness
As under a stone there will be darkness, however strong the
sunlight, so in the shadow of the 'I-
consciousness there must be ignorance and illusion.
But why did the body consciousness come into being?
Don't ask 'why', ask 'how'. It is in the nature of creative
imagination to identify itself with its
You can stop it any moment by switching off attention. Or
Does creation come before investigation?
First you create a world, then the 'I am' becomes a person,
who is not happy for various
He goes out in search of happiness, meets a Guru who tells
hiNisargadatta: 'You are not a person,
who you are'. He does it and goes beyond.
Why did he not do it at the very start?
It did not occur to him. He needed somebody to tell him.
Was that enough?
It was enough.
Why does it not work in my case?
You do not trust me.
Why is my faith weak?
Desires and fears have dulled your mind. It needs some
How can I clear my mind?
By watching it relentlessly. Inattention obscures, attention
Why do the Indian teachers advocate inactivity?
Most of people's activities are valueless, if not outright
destructive. Dominated by desire and
they can do nothing good. Ceasing to do evil precedes
beginning to do good. Hence the need
stopping all activities for a time, to investigate one's
urges and their motives, see all that is false
one's life, purge the mind of all evil and then only restart
work, beginning with one's obvious
Of course, if you have a chance to help somebody, by all
means do it and promptly too, don't
him waiting till you are perfect. But do not become a
I do not feel there are too many do-gooders among disciples.
Most of those I met are too
in their own petty conflicts. They have no heart for others.
Such self-centeredness is temporary. Be patient with such
people. For so many years they gave
to everything but themselves. Let them turn to themselves
for a change.
What are the fruits of self-awareness?
You grow more intelligent. In awareness you learn. In
self-awareness you learn about yourself.
course, you can only learn what you are not. To know what
you are, you must go beyond the
Is not awareness beyond the mind?
Awareness is the point at which the mind reaches out beyond
itself into reality. In awareness
seek not what pleases, but what is true.
I find that awareness brings about a state of inner silence,
a state of psychic void.
It is all right as it goes, but it is not enough. Have you
felt the all-embracing emptiness in which
universe swims like a cloud in the blue sky?
Sir, let me first come to know well my own inner space.
Destroy the wall that separates, the 'I-am-the-body' idea
and the inner and the outer will
Am I to die?
Physical destruction is meaningless. It is the clinging to
sensate life that binds you. If you could
the inner void fully, the explosion into the totality would
My own spiritual experience has its seasons. Sometimes I
feel glorious, then again I am down. I
like a little boy -- going up, going down, going up, going
All changes in consciousness are due to the 'I-am-the-body'
idea. Divested of this idea the mind
steady. There is pure being, free of experiencing anything
in particular. But to realise it
must do what your teacher tells you. Mere listening, even
memorizing, is not enough. If you do
struggle hard to apply every word of it in your daily life,
don't complain that you made no
All real progress is irreversible. Ups and downs merely show
that the teaching has not
taken to heart and translated into action fully.
The other day you told us that there is no such thing as
karma. Yet we see that every thing has
cause and the sum total of all the causes may be called
As long as you believe yourself to be a body, you will
ascribe causes to everything. I do not say
have no causes. Each thing has innumerable causes. It is as
it is, because the world is as it
Every cause in its ramifications covers the universe.
you realise that you are absolutely free to be what you
consent to be, that you are what you
to be because of ignorance or indifference, you are free to
revolt and change. You allow
to be what you are not. You are looking for the causes of
being what you are not! It is a
search. There are no causes, but your ignorance of your real
being, which is perfect and
all causation. For whatever happens, all the universe is
responsible and you are the source
I know nothing about being the cause of the universe.
Because you do not investigate. Enquire, search within and
you will know.
How can a speck like me create the vast universe?
When you are infected with the 'I-am-the-body' virus; a
whole universe springs into being. But
you have had enough of it, you cherish some fanciful ideas
about liberation and pursue lines
action totally futile. You concentrate, you meditate, you
torture your mind and body, you do all
of unnecessary things, but you miss the essential which is
the elimination of the person.
In the beginning we may have to pray and meditate for some
time before we are ready for self-
If you believe so, go on. To me, all delay is a waste of
time. You can skip all the preparation and
directly for the ultimate search within. Of all the Yogas it
is the simplest and the shortest.