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Sunday, May 20

Humbly: This list is a real zoo.
--humanitate

In Holland it would now be closed because of (Foot&) Mouth-disease...
--mirror

Here it's foot IN mouth disease.
--andrew

Good appetite!
--Jan

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Jan:

If you are able to introspection deep enough to resolve all conflicts
and "yuck" into this "primary" conflict, that means all blocks will
vanish by themselves. In fact, it is the whole path - a repair of the
damage... But not in all cases it can be resolved completely - mere
knowledge or discussion won't help and can even become a source of
frustration.

Melody:

In what cases can it not be resolved? Can you give an example?

Marcia:

If I may. Introspection will never resolve anything because it is a
head thing trying to resolve a head thing. At best, one may see all the
reasons why something happened but it doesn't get at the heart of it or
the body of it. And as you know with the body work you have done, much
is locked in the body.

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humanitate:

Humbly:

This list is a real zoo.

Marcia:

I agree with that assessment.

I ask myself what am I looking for or what do I want when I join a
list. There are a couple of lists where I post frequently. They are 4th
Way lists. What I really appreciate is when I can talk with people
about things that I have been seeing or working with or on.

For example in the quote I posted from Lord Pentland about coming from
conscience, the idea that I was looking at was the idea of coming from
a fixed concept. I wasn't looking at the fixed concept being conscience
necessarily. What happened was the dialogue veered towards conscience.
What triggered the quote was something Jan said about achieving. Trying
to achieve something, to me, is the same as coming from a fixed idea.
This seems clear to me. If there is something that I am trying to
achieve then that is a fixed concept. It is in the fixing that the
deflection happens not in what is being fixed on.

It seems to me that rather than look for what divides, we could look
for what unites. What unites on this list, it seems to me, is that we
all want to talk about (I hesitate to use a specific word because it
may distract from what I am trying to get across) _______________. So I
suggest that, rather than finding ways to discredit what the other guy
says, we find ways to connect.

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Melody:

If I'm hearing you, then, it's not so much a question
of conflicts "never being resolved", but of their
not being resolved in someone's intended time
frame, or by an intended design?

Jan:

Yes, the saying is, "the thread continues".
Ultimately, the thread ends - and it will end
when the fear, causing one either to flee or to
fight, is no more. From that perspective, anyone
who angers one is an angel by definition <laugh>

Melody:

The "resolving of conflict" seems inevitable.
It seems more a question of time, conditioning,
opportunity and exposure.

Jan:

It is inevitable - when there is fear, somewhere,
there has to be courage too. Courage not to run,
to hide or to fight, but to face "what is" from the
choiceless perspective that there is only Love.

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Gill Eardley:

A bit of what happened in the lead up. I got told "a piece of dogshit
knows buddha nature more than you do". It sounds funny now, but I was
devastated. So, like your friend Timothy, I could weep and wail (which
I did for a bit, and got told that I should appreciate the teaching for
its true enlightenment value) or I could go and think about it, really
look at it.

Guess what? A piece of dogshit knows Nothing, so the assessment was
pretty spot on, because not only did I think I knew something, I pretty
much thought I knew everything. Now, what really hurt me and raised
great resistance seems hilariously funny.

On a deeper level, there were reasons for the resistance which had to
be seen before they could drop off. Maybe another time I would have
lashed out, resisted or called you an idiot, but at the end of the day
it comes down to taking responsibility. If my buttons are pushed, it is
up to me to look at the buttons, what they are and why they are there,
and not blame somebody else for pushing them.


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Gill Eardley:

In London, May 2001, international respected Zen master, poet, peace
activist and author, Thich Nhat Hanh offers three consecutive evenings,
of Dharma talks and meditation practice, on the theme: "Peace in
oneself, Peace in the world".

Please forward to friends and email lists who may be interested.

More details, photos, and ticket reservations are at
http://www.interbeing.org.uk/

Details below too.

"Peace in oneself, Peace in the world"

Three evenings of teaching

and practice with

Thich Nhat Hanh

Each evening is complete, but part of a whole

Tuesday 29th May 2001 -

Thursday 31st May 2001

6.45pm - 9.45 pm, doors open 5.30 pm,

each evening.

Westminster Central Hall, Storey's Gate, London SW1H 9NH

London Underground: Westminster or St James' Park.

More details, photos, and ticket reservation at
http://www.interbeing.org.uk/



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The ancient Tantric masters knew the art of love
The Buddhas knew the art of compassion

Yama doesn't know love
Nature doesn't know compassion

So Yama invented the fire to make man believe there is love
And Nature invented women and cats to lure man into the game of life
The cats were soft, furry and quite impressive
But not enough to hide the veil cast by Yama and Nature

The moral:
Love cats but look beyond :)

Joy and laughter,
Jan

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